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To: Grainne who wrote (15489)	6/1/1998 6:31:00 AM
From: Jack Clarke	Respond to of 20981

Christine, Thanks for the links. I'll try to go over them later. Speaking of facts, is anything about Pat Buchanan as portrayed on this admittedly biased web page accurate in any way? I didn't mean to jump on Buchanan's bandwagon. All I said was that I can deal with people from either political extreme if they are honest about expressing their beliefs, and I cited Buchanan and Brown as examples. The paper is severely biased, though, using silly guilt by association things -- (Zhirinovsky and Duke made statements supporting him, etc). One of the later comments is particularly good, condemning statists of the right and the left. No time for further comment now. Thanks again. Jack

To: Grainne who wrote (15489)	6/1/1998 4:01:00 PM
From: Lady Lurksalot	Respond to of 20981

CGB, If you truly desire to garner support for Jerry Brown for Prez, those links you provided ain't gonna do it. If anything, well . . . To your credit, I doubt that you are anyone could come up with much factual material or history that would sway any thinking person with half their neurons working to vote for Jerry. But thank you for the trip down memory lane. I had forgotten Jerry vs the entire Central Valley and the medfly mess and a many of his other actions and inactions which served to cement him in the minds of the reality-rooted everywhere as Governor Moonbeam. To the rest of the thread, it should be noted that in 1972 the California voters repealed the death penalty (except for crimes defined by very, VERY narrow circumstances), and overwhelmingly so. There was no death penalty in California from then until it was recently reinstated again by the voters, and again overwhelmingly. Chief Justice Bird and her henchmen were indeed voted out of office in 1986--not because of her stance on the death penalty but because of her goofy and whimsical decisions and written legal opinions that flew in the face of reason AND the law of the land. It does gross injustice to Oakland to speak only of its pockets of crime and abject poverty and not of the larger parts of Oakland which range from the mainstream to upper middle class to the very exclusive. I believe the architect Julia Morgan did much of her work in Oakland. Oakland is home to Mills College and several famous medical facilities. There is much in and about Oakland to recommend it. Politicians such as Jerry Brown perpetuate the negative perception of Oakland, doing obvious harm to it and its citizens. I could be wrong, but I believe Oakland's mayors serve four-year terms. For Jerry to run for Prez in 2000 would mean deserting the fine folk of Oakland midstream, but then I guess it wouldn't be the first time a politician did this. Holly