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To: Sam Ferguson who wrote (17043)	6/5/1998 2:48:00 PM
From: Grainne	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39621

Sam, I disagree with you about abortion. I am very sorry that it is so prevalent, and absolutely would support laws to make partial birth abortions illegal except if the fetus is dead or the mother's actual life is in danger. I would never have one, and would discourage (but not prevent) my daughter from having one. The truth is that many women mourn their aborted children forever, and later regret the procedure. It is NOT simply minor surgery. I also believe that since there is absolutely nothing which happens after the moment of conception, that life begins at that point. I simply believe on a practical level that any women who would seriously consider an abortion is fairly incapable of motherhood, and think that abortion is a lesser evil than bringing children into the world who are more likely to be neglected or abused. In the case of women with several children who then abort a pregnancy, they are deciding they cannot properly nurture another child. I wish abortion were much less frequent. I believe all pregnant women should be made to understand exactly what an abortion entails, and that they are aborting a baby, which moves, sucks its tiny thumb, etc. I think they should have psychological counselling as well. But ultimately women must be in charge of their own reproductive organs. The fact that throughout history women have risked their lives for this procedure indicate there are compelling reasons for abortions, and I do not think men should be able to dominate over this essential right. At the same time, sex education and easily available contraceptives would lower the abortion rate considerably. The very people who want to stop abortions also want to stuff the whole issue of sexuality under the rug as well. If their real goal was lowering the abortion rate instead of controlling women, they would be staunch advocates of sex eduction and contraceptives.

To: Sam Ferguson who wrote (17043)	6/5/1998 11:12:00 PM
From: Ann Corrigan	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 39621

Evening Sam, Returned from vacation few hrs ago. Been reviewing todays posts. The discussion between you & Christine re when life begins is very interesting. I've thought about this question often in the past. When does life begin? I agree with you that animal matter alone does not represent independent life. The anti-abortion people use the vision of a baby as an emotional weapon. It's a sneaky tactic IMO. To my way of thinking the question should be when can the fetus survive without the mothers body. Until that moment occurs, I believe it is part of the moters body;therefore, she has total control to that point of fetus development. Some newborns can survive at 7 months of development, others not until 8 months. In fact, the Supreme Court should have decided at what point independent life begins long ago. IMO, it does not begin as long as the fetus is totally dependent on the womans body and could not survive without it. Those who consider the fetus another human being immediately after conception have little respect for the life that is already existing--that of the mother. She deserves respect as well. I disagree with those who say a child deserves to be born no matter what. Do abused children, whose lives must be hell on earth, feel they are just happy to be alive--I doubt that very much. A certain measure of quality of life must be present for a child to be born, and I'm not referring to a luxurious lifestyle. Just a loving environment. If they do not have love, their lives will most likely not be worth living. Hope you've been shaking up the establishment, as always. best wishes, Ann