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To: Porter Davis who wrote (1081)	6/5/1998 9:52:00 PM
From: Abner Hosmer	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 1598

Porter, The TSE is totally full of crap. I've read most of your posts from the last 6 months. I haven't seen anything even slightly defamatory. You've posted facts and opinions. Did you make it all up about the times the system went down? Bloody hell, if it went down it went down!! And if you happen to think that represents incompetence, I daresay even in Canada you are entitled to say so!! The TSE's threats amount to pure intimidation. You have a lousy opinion of management and you said so. Does a Canadian really have to fear the legal system on that account? Therein lies the true crime !! Those bloody b#stards at the TSE can kiss my fat arse!! HEAR THAT FLEMING. KISS MY FAT ARSE. YOU ARE A FLAMING DOG. THE TERMS OF USE HERE AT SI ARE NONE OF YOUR BLOODY BUSINESS. TAKE YER BLOODY FAT GOB BACK ACROSS THE BORDER AND STICK IT IN YER EYE!!

To: Porter Davis who wrote (1081)	6/5/1998 11:56:00 PM
From: EL KABONG!!!	Respond to of 1598

Mr. Davis, I, too would like to add my voice to the many SI posters who support your right to freedom of expression and your right to publicly expose examples of incompetence where ever it may occur. I am a United States citizen, not Canadian, but down here in the lower 48, we have always regarded the Canadian stock exchanges as some sort of cruel joke for Canadian investors. In my opinion, you have done nothing wrong (legally speaking), but I am not a lawyer, nor am I familiar with Canadian laws. I feel that the best you can do as a Canadian citizen is to cross the border and do your business on the USA exchanges. No positive changes for Canadian investors will be forthcoming until the exchanges "feel it in the pocketbook". Best of luck to you, KJC

To: Porter Davis who wrote (1081)	6/5/1998 11:57:00 PM
From: marcos	Respond to of 1598

Mr Roland Fleming - congratulations, sir, you have made the top of Hot Subjects 207.183.153.73 987% and climbing. That's quite an achievement, for what was once a quiet sort of backwater of a thread. Though it was always quite educational regarding options and the ways in which professional traders think about the market. You know, Mr Fleming, I always took what Porter had to say about the computerised trading and the competency of management with a grain of salt because while he writes in a captivating way he was only one poster, there was no corroborating evidence of incompetency at the TSE. Well ... not much, on the thread. But you have provided that, Mr Fleming. As soon as I heard about your gag order I thought to myself 'Damn. Porter was right. How could I have doubted him.' ... but then I was quite right to doubt his judgement, without verification. But now you have supplied the verification, Mr Fleming. Maybe that's what Porter means when he says; "I don't think I need to at this point." I would tend to agree with him on that, wouldn't you, Mr Fleming? ...... Mr Fleming?

To: Porter Davis who wrote (1081)	6/6/1998 12:00:00 PM
From: Stoctrash	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1598

Hey TSE...KISS MY ASS you 3rd rate, bogus & scamming exchange. Take your "funny $$$" and keep it, even though its only 45% of a US$!! Porter...screw them, if they cannot take the heat and facts...too bad. What are they going to do? Get the US to extridite you to Canada...yeah right. Have some BALLS Porter, they are just trying to scare you......they don't have a case or the jurisdiction. "TSE...you suck"

To: Porter Davis who wrote (1081)	6/6/1998 7:29:00 PM
From: marcos	Respond to of 1598

"But believe me: SI doesn't get upset about these kinds of legal threats. Brad's told me they've had gazillions; their lawyers say not to worry. Same goes, I should think, for any individual." #reply-4753468 But then SI is not north of the 49th, and actual mileage may vary. In any case, you don't have to say a word. Mr Fleming and his lawyers are saying it for you. We'll know which newspapers are hooked into the bigbank/oldboy Bay Steet trough. The ones that don't run this story Monday morning. "I'm looking forward to the Globe and Mail's cartoons.... :}" #reply-4752771

To: Porter Davis who wrote (1081)	6/6/1998 10:38:00 PM
From: marcos	Respond to of 1598

"Until they courier him a letter rescinding the previous one, I consider them fair game" #reply-4754719 Anybody got a list of favourite business reporters?

To: Porter Davis who wrote (1081)	6/7/1998 2:06:00 AM
From: Wizzer	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 1598

Porter, putting my money where my mouth is....I'll contribute $100 to your defense, if they take any action against you. It'll probably be the best $100 investment I ever made.....an investment in the TRUTH always pays off in the end! Let me know if the need arises, and I would encourage others to do the same. Porter, those that are incompetent hate the TRUTH, as the TSE has shown through their lawyer, and by his idiotic letter with a ton of MAYBE's. It is obvious that the truth hurts them. Instead of correcting some of the problems you have addressed, they would rather maintain the "status quo" and continue on with their inaction. In fact, I believe that proves incompetence on their part.

To: Porter Davis who wrote (1081)	6/7/1998 5:11:00 PM
From: H-Man	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1598

SI would not be respnsible. The court has ruled on that. Blumenthal vs. Drudge & AOL. Case against AOL was dismissed. Not a canadian investr but Boy this pisses me off.

To: Porter Davis who wrote (1081)	6/8/1998 2:11:00 PM
From: Janice Shell	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1598

I wouldn't worry about it. A few months ago in connection with something else, Brad told me that SI gets hundreds of these kinds of threats. They've been told by their lawyers to ignore 'em. This whole business is absurd. The TSE really should find better ways to spend its time.

To: Porter Davis who wrote (1081)	6/8/1998 2:17:00 PM
From: jhild	Respond to of 1598

Porter, I have read all of your posts that are accessible in your profile. I appreciate your sharing with regard to your trading experiences and I think you have made a valuable contribution with some of your insights and contributions here. So let me add a quick note of thank you for your sharing. Over the weekend I became aware of your situation with regard to efforts by the TSE to silence you. I have searched for a reason as to why the TSE would feel a need to send such a restraining letter. And quite frankly, I can see nothing but reasonable criticisms of the exchange offered with reasonable advice for insuring a fair and balanced trading environment. Surely goals that any exchange would aspire to on behalf of its participants. I guess the real issue, however, lies in the or its representatives clause of the letter. It would seem that Mr. Flemming is using the auspices of his office to pursue this action against you. Personally, I feel that this is a peckish response to the personal criticisms that you have made of him. Criticisms that would seem on the face of it to have some justification, given this report of the TSE actions. Pity that you are not dealing in a US venue. Our laws and protections here, serve to vitiate these types of seemingly petulant actions. All the best to you. I hope that your voice is not lost from SI over this little bit of apparent pettiness and vanity.

To: Porter Davis who wrote (1081)	6/9/1998 3:25:00 AM
From: marcos	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1598

Tuesday, June 9, 1998 Philip faces uphill battle in attempt to censure Internet chat groups Libel warning silences TSE critic By SIMON AVERY The Financial Post Philip Services Corp. has launched an attack against an Internet chat group, vowing to shut down critical commentary and uncover the identities of the anonymous scribes behind it. "The company will take all necessary steps to protect the safety and reputation of its employees and the integrity of its business," Philip said in a statement fired off to the Yahoo Finance chat group, where the Hamilton-based company is discussed under the symbol "PHV." Charging that a small group of people are conducting "a campaign of hatred" against it, Philip said it had asked Yahoo to remove "the most offensive messages" and prevent the authors from posting any further thoughts. The chat group has been mainly investor-oriented since December, and passed on information ranging from wild rumors to accurate reports of upcoming meetings with key executives. Analysts at numerous brokerage firms visit the site regularly for any trace of useful information. Defamation experts warned Philip is entering a terrain full of legal obstacles in trying to control the site. Response within the Internet chat group has been one of disbelief and anger since the company posted its statement Friday night. "This bulletin board is amongst the least of what should worry you. Your time is much better spent in finding buyers of the metals businesses and figuring out ways to avoid leaving money on the table," said one contributor, alias "alligator1928." "Sceptic666" was more scathing: "It's fair game you idiots. Welcome to the new world where company's [sic] that ... have something to hide are deadmeat." A third contributor, "n913ta," challenged Philip to turn the message board into a continuing shareholders meeting through which investors could get answers to their many questions about its recent troubles. The company has announced a series of copper-related losses of more than US$200 million going back to 1995. It has restated earnings as far back as 1995, wiping out profit for the period. Last week it announced it would try to sell its metals division, responsible for 60% of its revenue, to pay down mounting debt. Philip shares (PHV/NYSE, TSE) have tumbled from an all-time high of US$19 15/16 in New York last September to US$4 1/4 yesterday, down 3/16. They closed down 25› in Toronto at $6.15. A Philip spokeswoman confirmed Friday night the company had put out the statement. It claims messages posted on the Yahoo finance site have libelled the company and employees, including ethnic slurs and demeaning statements about some female staff. Philip also said people using several aliases have also posted messages claiming to be stalking senior management, and former employees are posting confidential, insider information. Lawyers said the same libel laws that apply to traditional media apply to comments on the Internet, but added Philip faces numerous legal hurdles if it intends to proceed with an action. These include issues of jurisdiction, responsibility, confidentiality and freedom of expression. Julian Porter, a partner at the Toronto law firm Gowling Strathy & Henderson, said he knew of no instance in which a company had managed to censor a public chat group. "They've got one huge uphill battle ahead of them," he said. "One of the problems when you attack the Internet is who are you attacking -- who's posting the stuff on the billboard?" He doubts whether Santa Clara, Calif.-based Yahoo would divulge the identities of any participants without a U.S. court order. Furthermore, because of strong First Amendment laws, no U.S. judge would back Philip's request to prevent people from taking part in the chat group, in effect censoring them for comments they haven't yet made. Officials from Yahoo were not available for comment. -- with files from Dan Westell/FP canoe2.canoe.ca My bolding -g-