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To: Dave Hanson who wrote (1289)	6/11/1998 5:51:00 PM
From: Sean W. Smith	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 14778

Sean, Thanks for the feedback (NS vs. IE 4.) Pretty sobering that NS won't do more to help you, given who you work for. Its absurd considering the $$$ we spend with them... Glad to hear you find IE 4.01 stable. I tried it briefly, and had some quick crashes, but didn't stick with it long enough to give it a rigorous test. (I confess that the changes IE 4 makes to system files also gave me the willies RE stability, and it seemed that taskman was recording higher memory usage levels after IE 4 was installed than before.) I gather you didn't enable active desktop? You're running a plain vanilla SP3/IE4 install? Yep, Active Desktop is full of bugs. Wouldn't touch it.... NT is is stable with IE 4.01 installed... I don't really track memory usage before and after. I have 256M of RAM in my primary work and home PC's so its generally not a problem... No really big transistion.. Just don't try to uninstall it. Yes, its like half an OS upgrade.... Biggest problems with IE are its JS is flakier than NS. SI personal profiles sometimes don't work. 2. Each bookmark is stored as a file so my 3000+ bookmarks from netscape waste a lot of space with IE. On almost every other front I like it better. I'm not a huge microsoft fan but judge products on their own merit and IE 4.0 is a nice product. Office 97 on the other hand is a disgrace... :) Sean

To: Dave Hanson who wrote (1289)	6/11/1998 8:20:00 PM
From: Spots	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 14778

Dave, to me who is living in a development environment, IE is anathema. It updates all sorts of system stuff with great abandon, and heaven forbid that the Great God Microsoft might ask permission for any of that. I had to stop it back at 3.somethinorother so I can't say if later versions are better behaved, but I doubt it. I have had good success with Netscape and do not experience your problems. Sorry, Sean, we seem to keep coming down on opposite sides <GGG>. Maybe I need a resident hardware guy <GGGGG>. Now, I just installed an IDE drive and it screwed up my SCSI CD. Just why is that, do you suppose .... ? Spots PS, Dave, did I understand you correctly to say that Netscape crashes ALL your apps? Or just other netscape windows? If ALL, it sounds like an extension of your earlier crashing problem to me, which seems to be something else besides a particular app, though it probably depends upon particular app characteristics. For instance, in our memory analysis, I noted that Netscape consistently used the most memory (12 megs in my case) among all running apps. Netscape or any other 32 bit app should not affect ANY other app internally, including other instances of itself. They do really, no kidding, run in separate memory spaces. Perhaps this wasn't clear in my earlier post. If various instances of a single app bring down each other, it's probably due to external interactions (shared files, etc). If they bring down other apps, they're poking NT in a soft place.