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To: Grainne who wrote (22881)	6/12/1998 6:56:00 PM
From: Thomas C. White	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

Christine, having spent four years at a Southern Baptist university (Baylor), I can tell you that there's a great deal more diversity among Baptists than perhaps meets the eye among those outside of that milieu. For the last fifteen years or so, there's been an enormous conflict among various "wings" of the Baptist faith, reflected in a deep schism within the Southern Baptist Convention which has at various times threatened to create a permanent, open split. In actuality, there are many Baptists who don't subscribe to the extremist views of Patterson and his fundamentalist clique. In fact, Baylor University itself has at times threatened to refuse to accept funding from the Southern Baptist Convention and go "independent." A lot of the static that shows up at the Convention is to a great degree ignored by the individual churches, which in the Southern Baptist faith are considered to be beyond the control of any central authority such as the Convention (this is one of the basic tenets of the Southern Baptist faith). For example, the Disney boycott thing was basically ignored by most of the churches. However, at the Convention itself, the fundamentalists have historically been very organized, they have a much higher attendance record among their delegates, and are able to drown out a lot of the more rational voices. Among the Baptists are many moderate, intelligent, thoughtful people who will castigate the fundamentalist antics of the Convention. It's been well known that the Southern Baptists do not vote as a bloc on what might be called "family values" issues. Hmmm. As to southern women, I've had my fair share of interaction with them. I think they're a lot more variegated than you assume.

To: Grainne who wrote (22881)	6/12/1998 7:09:00 PM
From: Rambi	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 108807

Ann and CGB- Hey! What is this "geographical psychology" you're spouting? If you want to say that certain branches of religion preach female submission, I won't argue, Biblical literalists of all faiths follow Paul's teachings on this and -but I find your Southern women comments troubling! The culture and behavioral patterns of the south are different for BOTH men and women, and for you to interpret, based on a limited frame of reference, that it's "submissive" in nature is presumptuous (and inaccurate!) I'm Virginia-raised and know far too many strong, dominant women to buy into this stereotype--Southerners merely assert themselves and relate in different ways than perhaps you are accustomed to. And perhaps don't really understand. ALso, given the geographical nomadism that's prevalent today, I think any basis for these types of statements is fast becoming obsolete. It's this kind of generalization that you fight against so fervently when people talk about gays or pagans- Please don't fall into the trap yourselves. You know, sometimes ---even if you are totally convinced you have facts and truth on your side-- it's better to stop and think when you make a comment that can be insulting to an entire group. The more one isolates, the more one tries to label, the more people one offends or angers inadvertently, and the less likely honest and open discourse can take place. Since I know that openness and kindness is what you desire, and because I know you would never mean to say anything intentionally to make someone feel bad, I thought I'd point out, that in some basic way, this bothered me. And why. Love ya guys!