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To: Pierre Mondieu who wrote (7631)6/14/1998 9:55:00 PM
From: Ice Cube  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 10903
 
You are correct if the offshore group pays taxes. They don't. Maybe this one does because of the reporting to the dept. of rev. in Canada, but if it was done through one of their other offices, let's say Turks and Caicos Islands, ( I am using this as an example, I don't know if they have one) I doubt if taxes are paid. Also, when they go against the box, it is to play the stock either way, to have the option of covering if it goes higher, or buy back the short in the open market if it goes lower. Don't forget that offshore, they have NOT sold their stock, they have SHORTED against their position. Big difference. The position stays intact until it is used the cover the short or to be sold. As for the amount of stock that is still left to be sold, I have absolutely no idea. That's what makes it tough. If you don't know where the paper is, you are blind in a deal like this and that's pretty much all I'm saying. Is all the stock gone ? I don't know, and could NOT make a guess because of the games the people who do these financings play. There is no way to tell what is going on, but my gut tells me the financing people are playing this one. That's why the trading has been so rough lately. road show, good news from the company and the stock is net down for that time period. Those are the signs I look for that tell me it's a sloppy market and needs to be cleaned up. Now that I said all this, it will probably go to $3 in the morning !!!! I am just playing the odds in the market, I don't get personal with the stock. Also, the company cannot give you guidence because they are as blind as us. The DTC sheet is only worth so much, this type of market behavior won't show up on it. Also, don't forget the MM's tossing the stock amongst themselves... looks like big volume, but it's just trades among them to keep their books straight. Very common with BB stocks.



To: Pierre Mondieu who wrote (7631)6/15/1998 2:34:00 PM
From: Jeffrey S. Mitchell  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 10903
 
Pierre, the important thing to remember about Reg D and Reg S offerings is that they are usually large size transactions done at a significant discount to market prices.

Say the market price is $1. Assume the shares are placed at a 20% discount to market, meaning .80. The buyer then has a choice: short against his shares, and thus lock in that 20/80 = 25% profit, or to wait and hope the stock goes up instead of down.

Considering the buyer obviously knows the company is short on funds or else he would not have been contracted with in the first place, and considering if others find out a placement was done they might be inclined to sell, you can see how shorting makes good economic sense. Not only that, if the buyer was privy to anything, shall we say, "interesting", after tanking the stock with all his shares, he might then go long and ride it back up! So, you see, even if the buyer expects good news is coming, why just ride it up when you can ride it both ways?

[Note to Ice Cube: please correct me if I've said anything inaccurate.]

- Jeff