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To: Mama Bear who wrote (18496)	6/16/1998 4:29:00 PM
From: CMason	Respond to of 31646

Barb -- See John's post 18498 for a specific case relative to the shipping industry. I'm not an engineer, so I'm going to have to give you a response in layman's terms, but hopefully the technically savvy on the thread can correct me. Basically, there are at least three ways factory floor systems can have date dependence. First, many of the systems are interconnected and the central console sends them periodic time/date signals to keep everything synchronized (there was a lengthy discussion of this on this thread some months ago). Second, there are quite a few systems which need the date to compile data for Statistical Process Control and other reports. Sometimes there's a legal requirement that date-specific records be kept (e.g., emissions controllers, check-weighers on packaging lines, virtually everything in the pharmaceutical industry, etc.). Third and least important, there are the systems which actually write batch records and date codes on individual packages (ink jet printers, embossers, and the like). I hope this helps. I too was a sceptic until I asked our manufacturing automation people last September, and they assured me the problem is real; we're auditing our own plants and requiring our suppliers to certify their Y2K compliance for IS, EDI, and factory floor. Regards, CMason

To: Mama Bear who wrote (18496)	6/16/1998 4:31:00 PM
From: Rich Dee	Respond to of 31646

Barbara, You might want to start by downloading a copy of TAVA's White Paper "Plant Y2k: A White Paper that Discusses the Significance of the Effect of the Millennium Bug (Y2k) on Process Control, Factory Automation & Embedded Systems in Manufacturing Companies" at: tavatech.com Very informative. Rich

To: Mama Bear who wrote (18496)	6/16/1998 4:32:00 PM
From: WR	Respond to of 31646

To Barbra, Please go to this site an read it all and you will be rewarded. It is made available free of charge by two fine people on this thread. E-Mail the URL to your friends and members of you families. zahran.com

To: Mama Bear who wrote (18496)	6/16/1998 4:35:00 PM
From: Stuart Schreiber	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 31646

I suggest you visit the research site and learn what an embedded chip is and what it does. We welcome intelligent questions and encourage debate but your credibility will be greatly enhanced by " a little knowledge." There can be many ways to attack a company or question its stock price. Financials, T/A, and fundamentals immediately come to mind. The research is there. What you do with it will determine your or anyone else's credibility. Stu

To: Mama Bear who wrote (18496)	6/16/1998 4:37:00 PM
From: M. Frank Greiffenstein	Respond to of 31646

Elevators have electric dreams? Barb, some elevators may care. Embedded chips are used to manage the flow of power to devices based on usage patterns (elevators may be shut down on weekends, etc). These kinds of devices were installed in the late 1970's and early 1980's to reduce energy costs. Alternatively, even if elevators werent ocntrolled by such chips, they would most certainly go down if there was a failure in the power grid. I agree that a lot of y2k concerns are getting overblown to the point of hysteria. But sometimes hysteria is good for certain stocks <g>. DocStone

To: Mama Bear who wrote (18496)	6/16/1998 4:37:00 PM
From: Steve Sanchez	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 31646

you asked: Why would an elevator care on what day it was going up and down? Eduardo Garcia says: "Here many buildings have monitoring systems. All the elevators are connected a central computer (as well as airconditioning systems, fire control, etc) in the building engineer's office, usually on the first floor. The central controlling computer knows when it is time for a preventative maintenance check and recommends a call to the elevator maintenance company. I would imagine that it would shut down the elevator if the check was not performed. Not only preventive maintenance but also schedules. If it is Sunday, have only two of the six elevators working. If it is weekday have all by default to the first floor between 7 and 9 AM or top and medium floors between 4 and 7 PM. Shut down four of them between 7 PM and 7 AM." x12.dejanews.com not to mention if the power goes out. best of luck, steve

To: Mama Bear who wrote (18496)	6/16/1998 4:53:00 PM
From: Ken Salaets	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 31646

OT --- Barbara, if you are truly as reserved and thoughtful as you portray yourself to be, then why waste your time asking such questions when you can simply click on the research URL listed in the header and discover the facts for yourself? That, indeed, would be the rational thing to do, particularly if you genuinely value rationality. ggg. There are numerous people here who could walk you step by step through the entire gamut of issues re Y2K, except that 90 percent of the work has already been done for you and me. Accordingly, if you are sincere in posing such inquiries, I would highly recommend that you peruse the research that is readily available to you. Finally, it ludicrous to suggest that a company, or any other endeavor, is of questionable merit solely because one individual is indirectly associated with it. That is simply illogical, as I suspect you know, and frankly, it is one of the more irrational statements that I have encountered on this or any other thread. If that were the case, then Silicon Investor is equally questionable (granted, some may AGREE with that statement gggg). I am a strong believer that one can't have it both ways, i.e., claim to genuinely value rational conduct, while engaging in conduct that belies such a proclamation. The word hypocrisy comes to mind. Finally, from my experience with bullet [sic] boards first, and then the Internet, I have discovered that reputations in public fora such as this are often justified. Moreover, they become magnified by the company you keep, my point being that the shrill reaction your presence has generated from some may well be justified. I, for one, look forward to your proving otherwise. Ken