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To: Gregory D. John who wrote (78)6/17/1998 11:08:00 PM
From: DLL  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 638
 
Dear Gregory;

The Trinity is a very difficult subject but one the can be understood to some degree if not fully. The Bible teaches that God is one. Deuteronomy 6:4 Hear, O Israel! The LORD is our God, the LORD is one! The Bible also clearly teaches that God is a plurality of Father, Son and Holy Spirit. This is taught in many places such as Genesis 1:26 Then God said, ®Let *Us make *man in Our image, according to Our likeness; ...

Our current discussion of Yeshua's claims to be the great I Am can only be understood as true if God is also a plurality of some sort. This is essential to a firm grasp of Biblical reality.

The question now must be how can God be understood as one and also as three distinct persons. I will try to draw an analogy which works for me, but like all such comparisons it is incomplete.

Let us consider the concept of time. Time is made up of three distinct units. Past, Present, and Future. All three make up the one concept time. All three are essential to even have or experience time. The past is fully time, and virtually all moments in time existed in the past. Likewise Present and Future. All moments in time have or will exist in the Present or were at one time yet Future. Time cannot be understood and divided. All three must exist together to make up the one idea, Time. All three are fully time yet all three are separate ideas which depend upon each other.

In summary I believe that God is one. That he exists eternally as Father, Son and Holy spirit. He cannot be divided. All three are fully God. All three are Distinct. All three make up the one true God. I hope this helps. What do you think?

In Yeshua's love for you - DLL



To: Gregory D. John who wrote (78)6/18/1998 3:07:00 PM
From: gregor  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 638
 
Dear Greg :

About the trinity. A religion professor asks a class the first day if anyone would care to explain the trinity. A young lad says "oh sure". The professor replies well I've been teaching for 35 years and I can't explain the trinity so class listen up.

That said. I will not try either. However a little food for thought. On the cross Jesus lifts his voice to heaven and says "My God, My God, why hast thou forsaken me". Twice repeated, once for the Father, Once for the Holy Spirit. He was the Son; so no need to repeat the third time. Interesting, agree ?

Also in Gen 1:2 The Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters, which the earth was void and formless at the time. God would speak light or land, or vegetation or whatever but why did the Holy Spirit have to first move upon the face of the waters.

This is wild speculation; but that has always been a function of the Holy Spirit. Trouble the waters, and the Holy Spirit hasn't let up since. Trouble the water of mens souls. Before creation can follow the waters have to be troubled. Before growth and restoration, before renewal and refreshment the waters have to be troubled. Call it a one two punch or God's best "roundhouse swing" but the Holy Spirit had to trouble the waters of the earth before creation could take place, how much more so our souls.

In Christ.gregor



To: Gregory D. John who wrote (78)6/18/1998 9:44:00 PM
From: Jane Hafker  Respond to of 638
 
Gregory, I almost can't believe this question of yours. Please promise me that you will stay with a little rambling narrative of a recent personal experience that must be shared here. I'll put as much as I can here tonight, and if you don't find it curiously interesting, well, I give up.