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To: Raymond James Norris who wrote (18461)	6/27/1998 9:49:00 AM
From: Robert E. Hall	Respond to of 39621

Greetings Raymond, Perhaps in your zeal to promote "your" views on Almighty God, you missed my response to you on June 21, 1998. # 17864. I would very much like to hear your response to this post. Robert

To: Raymond James Norris who wrote (18461)	6/27/1998 10:34:00 AM
From: Emile Vidrine	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39621

"how I restrained the Children of Israel from (harming) you when you came unto them with clear proofs, and those of them who disbelieved exclaimed:" God did retrained the Children of Israel from harming Jesus. They Crucified Jesus. You quotes these shameful and Satan inspired verses from Mohammad as if you are proud of them. You glory in your shame. The Crucifixion of Jesus is an historically established fact but you prefer to believe the fables and myths of the Koran . You made big claims how you could refute the Crucifixion of Jesus with historcal proof but to date you have avoided giving us this well hidden research.

To: Raymond James Norris who wrote (18461)	6/27/1998 11:34:00 AM
From: Emile Vidrine	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39621

"Humanity is created by God destined for heaven unless they chose to disobey Him and refuse His mercy. God can very trivially and effortlessly forgive the sins of all of Humanity no matter if they were to fill the lofty regions of the sky. Such a matter would be trivial and inconsequential for Him since He has already done much more than that such as creating everything we can ever see, hear or imagine. He loves to bestow His mercy and forgiveness on His creation and rewards the most trivial acts with the most tremendous rewards. In order to achieve God's reward one must have faith as well as works." " God can very trivially and effortlessly forgive the sins of all of Humanity no matter if they were to fill the lofty regions of the sky Are you saying that you consider the Crucifixion of the Son of God, whom you reject as your Saviour and redeemer, as trivial and effortless". The darkness of your heart and mind causes you to believe these fabricated stories from the Koran. The inspired eyewitness accounts of the Apostles contained in the Gospels refute your Islamic Fables and myths from the Koran. The accounts of the eyewitness Apostles and the eyewitness Romans and others were recorded 600 years before Mohammad false revisionism. According to their acccounts, Jesus the divine Son of God was Crucified for the sins of mankind, and then raised from the dead to ascend to the right hand of the Father. These same eyewitnesss of the Crucifixion also experienced the Resurrected Jesus, the Ascending Jesus and finally the Holy Spirit poured out by Jesus. All except one of the Apostles who witnessedf these historically verifiable accounts prefered to die rather than deny what they had seen and experienced. These men werre chosen by Jesus himself and they went out and healed the sick and layed there hands on believers and the Holy Spirit of God was poured into the believers hearts. These are the men that knew Jesus personally, walked with Jesus and touched Jesus. Mohammad never saw Jesus, never healed the sick nor did he have the power to lay hands on people so they could receive the Holy Spirit. Mohammad came 600 years after Jesus and knew nothing about Jesus but what was in the Old and New Testament. He used the stories in the Old and New T to facribate his fables and myths. The power of the Gospel is not in words of human wisdom but in the power of the Cross of Jesus--the Cross that you irrationally deny. There is an easy way for you to determine if Jesus Christ is the Son of God who died for the sins of mankind and who pours out His Holy Spirit upon them who believe. Try a simple experiment. Get on your knees and with a humble and sinceere heart ask God to show you if Jesus is His divine Son who was Crucified for the sins of mankind and raised from the dead for their justification. If you will honestly and in humility pray this prayer, I will also agree to pray to God with a sincere and humble heart and ask God to show me if Mohammad is indeed the last and greatest messenger whom He sent and also if the Koran is indeed the words of God given to Mohammad. Remember, the power of the Gospel is in the Cross and not in words of human wisdom. If the Koran is true, God will certainly testify about its truth.

To: Raymond James Norris who wrote (18461)	6/27/1998 11:56:00 PM
From: IN_GOD_I_TRUST	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39621

"Fight and slay the pagans (non-Muslims) wherever you find them." (Surah 9:5) "If anyone desires a religion other than Islam, never will it be accepted of him; and in the hereafter he will be in the ranks of those who have lost." (Surah 3:85) "Fight those who believe not in God nor the last day... nor acknowledge the religion of truth, and fight people of the book, until they pay Jizya (penalty tax) with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued." (Surah 9:29) "..Strike terror [into the hearts of] the enemies of God and your enemies."(Surah 8:60) "And women shall have rights similar to the rights against them, according to what is equitable; but men have a degree over them". Surah 2:228 A. In court witness "And get two witnesses out of your own men, and if there are not two men, then a man and two women such as ye choose for witness." Surah 2:282 B. In inheritance "To the male a portion equal to that of two females". Surah 4:11 "...as to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them, refuse to share their beds, beat them..." Surah 4:34 "...Marry women of your choice two, or three or four". Surah 4:3 "Your wives are as a tilth unto you, so approach your tilth when or how ye will". Surah2:223 "But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the pagans wherever ye find them...and lie and wait for them...; but if they repent and establish regular prayers and practice regular charity then open the way for them". Surah 9:5 "The Jews call Uzair a son of Allah, and the Christians call Christ the son of Allah. That is a saying from their mouth; (in this) they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah's curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the truth". Surah 9:30 "But if they violate their oath after their covenant, and taunt you for your faith, fight (kill) ye the chiefs of unfaith: for their oaths are nothing to them". Surah 9:12 "As to the thief, male or female, cut off his or her hands: A punishment by way of example from Allah..." Surah 5:41 "The women and the men guilty of adultery or fornication, flog each of them with a hundred stripes..." Surah 24:2 "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Apostle, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of the hands and feet from opposite sides or exile from the land..." Surah 5:36 ... and delicious fruits, drinking exquisite wines, and engaging in sex with virgins. "They will recline on carpets whose inner linings will be of rich brocade: the fruit of the gardens will be near. In them will be (Maidens), Chaste, restraining their glances, whom no man or Jinn before them has touched (virgins)." Surah 55:54-46 Your versus, untouched, uncommented on, your comments, directly on each one? ... Steve

To: Raymond James Norris who wrote (18461)	6/28/1998 12:09:00 AM
From: IN_GOD_I_TRUST	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39621

1. Who is Jesus Christ? Muslims believe Jesus Christ is an elite Messenger from God. He was created from God's spirit sent unto the Jews (Matthew 15:22-28). Jesus was a faultless human being that only preached the same laws that had come before him (Matthew 5:18-19). He was born to a virgin Mary, selected by God. So I ask you, was Jesus a liar or God? He could be one or the other. He said he was God. By your above statement and supporting documentation it doesn't look like you are saying he is God? Is that correct? Let's finish number 1, and then I'll go to 2. 1 is of dire importance before entering into 2. Thanks and God Bless, Steve