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To: Ali Chen who wrote (33797)	7/1/1998 1:39:00 PM
From: Paul Engel	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1574007

Ali - Re: "AMD... says: K6-2-300 typical power is 10.35W, and "maximum thermal power" is 17.2W," OK, Ali - so ---17.2 watts is ICE COLD? ICE COLD? ICE COLD? 17.2 watts? Nice try - ICE COLD! Paul

To: Ali Chen who wrote (33797)	7/1/1998 1:41:00 PM
From: Dale J.	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1574007

Ali, "A software utility has been developed to assist in testing thermal solutions. This utility executes a tight loop of instructions whose addressing and data have been defined to put the AMD-K6 processor in a state that dissipates the maximum thermal power." Ok, I understand. ... "The program executes in an infinite loop. While executing, the processor's case temperature can be measured. In addition, the actual power dissipation should be determined by measuring the voltage and current supplied to the processor." "The max_pow.exe and ex.exe utilities are available under a non-disclosure agreement. Contact your local AMD sales office for information." ----------------- So, if your analytical abilities are not exactly zero, you may conclude that the special AMD "maxpower test" draws about 170% of normal power. The "maxpower" conditions never happen in real applications for any significant duration of time but are provided for pure technical reasons to assist in designing reliable systems, mostly for secondary power supplies (for details of switching power supplies you may consult with John Wang-"Traveler" please :). Hope this helps. Yes, it did help. So you are saying AMD does not have a problem with heat even under the most extreme conditions. Conditions that will not occur in the real world. Thank you. But I still have a question for you. If you are so smart then why are you investing in AMD? If you respond, try to respond without flaming me. ;^) Dale

To: Ali Chen who wrote (33797)	7/1/1998 2:14:00 PM
From: Time Traveler	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1574007

Granted that maximum power dissipation never happens in real applications, how about a software crash? If you do not design your system to handle the maximum power, when Windows 9x crashes, there is a possibility you have to get another computer! Also, not too many motherboard manufacturers out there do design their boards to meet the maximum Intel spec. Intel spec is just way too conservative. Intel probably want to cover their ass to a dozen sigma or something. Meanwhile, Time Traveler does not believe AMD and IBM's Power PC (being much lower in volume) are spec as conservatively as Intel's. Are you truly a box-maker? How come you, Ali, don't know all that? Time Traveler Ps. There are better ways to measure temperature than using your finger, Ali. For a few hundred dollars, you can get a hand-held infrared read-gun. The temperature reading is very accurate for this application.