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To: I Am John Galt who wrote (353)	7/1/1998 2:15:00 PM
From: HRAKA	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 13060

Matty, That argument doesn't hold water here. First, Libertarians do not believe in social programs ie- welfare. Second if they legalize.. say Heroine, are you gonna do it? If your answer is no, what makes you think everyone else will start. Third you are grouping all drug users into a category and this is totally wrong. I will suggest to you that most drug users in this society have no addiction problems and function just fine. YOU have made up your mind based on your bias. I personally know dozens of drug users that have never been fired from a job, never received welfare, and do not harm others. Those who destroy their lives on drugs are those that would destroy their lives on gambling, sex, alcohol, the stock market (LOL) etc...... It is in their personality. Likewise you can find lots of people on welfare that don't do drugs. You nievity is showing. Check out the real world. Hraka

To: I Am John Galt who wrote (353)	7/1/1998 3:58:00 PM
From: MeDroogies	Respond to of 13060

You're assuming we need a welfare state....I'm not. If 2% abuse alcohol or drugs, then that's their problem, not mine or the government's. Sorry about your dad. Same thing with my mom, and 2 grandparents...and 3 of my good friends (1 best friend)...and 1 friend who was addicted to crack... You'd wonder what kind of crowd I run with? Well, let's see, the crack friend (now a consultant with Price Waterhouse) was from a family of 3 Yale grads... he attended Syracuse with me (as did my 3 alcoholic friends). All came from upper-middle class/white collar families. My mom came from a moderately wealthy family, and is typical of the 3 generations from short sleeves to shirt sleeves saying. My grandparents were both fairly wealthy business owners. Their problems, however, were/are their own. All of them now agree with that (or did). In order to come to terms with their problem, they had to learn it was theirs - and theirs alone. While receiving support and love was important - only THEY could prevent it from being a problem again. Yes, I DO believe all drugs should be legal, but not because tobacco and alcohol are legal. I believe it because nobody has shown me how, as a problem, it effects anyone but the user. Also, because the history of outlawed drugs (today, and during the Prohibition) CLEARLY indicates how much MORE destructive outlawing drugs is.

To: I Am John Galt who wrote (353)	7/2/1998 3:21:00 AM
From: Andy Thomas	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 13060

Hi Matty, The current approach appears to be "stop them from using, and if they screw up their lives, give them government treatment..." The approach should be, "let them use whatever they want, but make it abundantly clear that there will be no government treatment programs for the screwups." That puts the liberty and the responsibility both back squarely on the individual, where it should be. Does all of this government interference in the daily lives of the population ever make you statist-types the slightest bit nauseous? FWIW Andy