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To: Steelguy who wrote (18714)	7/1/1998 3:52:00 PM
From: Emile Vidrine	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 39621

" he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?" John 14 8: Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us. 9: Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father? 10: Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works. 11: Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake. ------------------------

To: Steelguy who wrote (18714)	7/2/1998 3:00:00 PM
From: Raymond James Norris	Read Replies (4) \| Respond to of 39621

Romans 2: 31 " Do we, then, nullify the law by this faith? Not at all! Rather, we uphold the Law. There is no verse 31 in the second chapter of Romans. Paul clearly abolished the Mosaic Laws. Will you deny this? Do Christians eat Pork? Yes. Do they require Circumsicion? Yes. These were part of the Mosaic Law. Why do Christians not follow these practices anymore? Because Paul abolished them. Clear and simple: "Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law." Romans 3:28 Here it's made clear the law no longer upholds. He is abolishing it. No question about it. If the above isn't clear enough, Paul makes it crystal clear with this statement: "Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law." Galatians 3:13 It's naive to believe that Paul didn't abolish the law. Time after time he says he did. And Christians no longer follow the original Law that was bestowed upon Moses (and that which Jesus (Pbuh) told his people to uphold until "Heaven and Earth pass." Matthew 5:18-19) NO MAN CAN STAND UP TO THE LAW AND KEEP THE LAW PERFECTLY EXCEPT CHRIST OF COURSE. Then why when asked how to achieve eternal life, Jesus (Pbuh) only tells his people to "uphold to law." He doesn't go on to say that, "Ye cannot uphold it." Remember time after time that when asked how to reach paradise, Jesus (Pbuh) made no mention of abolishing the Law nor did he ever say we should stop following it. Paul, on the other hand, made new rules and set forth that the Mosaic Law no longer applied to Christians. Will you deny Paul abolished the Mosaic Law? Will you deny that Jesus (Pbuh) instructed to keep that law until heaven and earth pass? Think logically and try to answer the 2 questions above without contradicting yourself. Ray