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To: Raymond James Norris who wrote (18730)7/2/1998 3:37:00 PM
From: Steelguy  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 39621
 
sorry for the typo Raymond. Romans 3:31


*** now read it: as I have written it in my post. Most definitely the Paul is not as you say, " abolishing " the Law. READ IT RAYMOND and read the rest of my post so you can UNDERSTAND what Paul meant. Don't you want to understand? Understand?



To: Raymond James Norris who wrote (18730)7/2/1998 3:43:00 PM
From: Emile Vidrine  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 39621
 
"These were part of the Mosaic Law. Why do Christians not follow these practices anymore? Because Paul abolished them. Clear and simple:"

Here is a clear picture of Jesus's hand picked Apostles meeting in their First Council and establishing the first rules concening the law and salvation. Paul and other disciples simply the conclusions of the meeting to other Chruches.

Chapter: Acts.15
1: And certain men which came down from Judaea taught the brethren, and said, Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved.
2: When therefore Paul and Barnabas had no small dissension and disputation with them, they determined that Paul and Barnabas, and certain other of them, should go up to Jerusalem unto the apostles and elders about this question.
3: And being brought on their way by the church, they passed through Phenice and Samaria, declaring the conversion of the Gentiles: and they caused great joy unto all the brethren.
4. And when they were come to Jerusalem, they were received of the church, and of the apostles and elders, and they declared all things that God had done with them.
5: But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.
6: And the apostles and elders came together for to consider of this matter.
7: And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.
8: And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us;
9: And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.
10: Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?

11: But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.
12: Then all the multitude kept silence, and gave audience to Barnabas and Paul, declaring what miracles and wonders God had wrought among the Gentiles by them.
13: And after they had held their peace, James answered, saying, Men and brethren, hearken unto me:
14: Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name.
15: And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written,
16: After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up:
17: That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things.
18: Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world.
19: Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God:
20: But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.
21: For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.
22: Then pleased it the apostles and elders, with the whole church, to send chosen men of their own company to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas; namely, Judas surnamed Barsabas, and Silas, chief men among the brethren:
23: And they wrote letters by them after this manner; The apostles and elders and brethren send greeting unto the brethren which are of the Gentiles in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia:
24: Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:
25: It seemed good unto us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men unto you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul,
26: Men that have hazarded their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.
27: We have sent therefore Judas and Silas, who shall also tell you the same things by mouth.
28: For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things;
29: That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.
30: So when they were dismissed, they came to Antioch: and when they had gathered the multitude together, they delivered the epistle:
31: Which when they had read, they rejoiced for the consolation
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God later gave Paul clear revelations about the law and grace but the principles had already been established among the first Apostles.



To: Raymond James Norris who wrote (18730)7/2/1998 3:52:00 PM
From: Emile Vidrine  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 39621
 
"Romans 2: 31 " Do we, then, nullify the law by this faith? Not at all! Rather, we uphold the Law.

There is no verse 31 in the second chapter of Romans.
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You major on technical errors but miss the spiritual. Why?

Because you lack a humble and contrite heart that would let you understand how the 'law is uphed' and established in our hearts by the New Covenant in Jesus's Blood.

Through faith in Christ, God writes puts the laws in Christian hearts and writes them on their minds.

Faith in a Crucified and Resurrected Christ------Mohammad's fables have robbed you of the forgiveness of your sins and the laws of God being written on your heart!



To: Raymond James Norris who wrote (18730)7/2/1998 3:56:00 PM
From: Emile Vidrine  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 39621
 
""Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law."
Galatians 3:13 "

Again, your Islamic mind cannot understand the spiritual things of God because it lacks the Holy Spirit and faith.. In the 28th chapter of Deuteronomy, God enumerates the curses that will befall Israel if theyl breaks the laws of God.
By simple faith is Jesus, Israel and mankind is redeemed from the cursese of the law-------the curses not the law.