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To: Emile Vidrine who wrote (18937)	7/11/1998 3:10:00 AM
From: Alan Markoff	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 39621

I guess I will post this and I am sure Robert and Emile will respond in short order. I do not like when an organized Religion deems to hold 100% of the total truth because they deem to interpret the Bible the way they see fit. Christianity is nothing more than hundreds of denominations all with their own interpretations and views. Some Christians support Israel and a growing number is labeling Israel a people who worship satan and you know all the rest. You and Emile have accused me of preaching some sort of false doctrine. First of all I am not a teacher of anything much less a preacher God forbid. I have my beliefs just as you and Emile. I wish for Jews to accept Jesus as the Messiah as much as any true Christian. What I have a problem with is lowering a Jew as something to be called an Anti-Christ or worshiping satan. This is not limited to a Jew with your words but a whole nation, not to mention some prominent Jewish people who have contributed their lives to better the world we live in. To show love for your fellow man while sharing your beliefs will do more good than to label him as a satan worshipper or his homeland the same, that is only common sense. I think some here do not even know the meaning of forgiveness. The problem I have with you Robert and Emile is that you look down on everything that is remotely associated with Jewish anything from using the word Yeshua, to accepting Jesus by calling themselves Messianic Jews. Emile made it very clear that once a Jew accepts Jesus he must call himself a Christian that to me is insane and very shallow. To make matters worse if a Jew accepts Jesus he must stop observing all of the Jewish holidays Hmmmmmm....... to me that is being disrespectful and foolish, for it plays no role to ones salvation once Jesus is accepted in ones life. I think if some heard some Jewish songs you would see the life that rings out when they are sung it truly has a uplifting melody, not to mention its spiritual uplifting, I am sure DLL is familiar with what I am saying. I have no problem with a Christian who loves and respects others, I also have no problem if a Jew wishes to call himself a Christian, but I do have a problem with a person who claims to be a Christian that belittles or categorizes a group of people like Jews to be somehow evil and satanic in nature, you do not live or sleep with them nor do you have any clue to their thoughts or convictions. For myself you and Emile are the False Christ's the Bible speaks of. Both you and Emile Judge, both you and Emile claim to be Jews, and both you and Emile claim to be Israel. The Bible says there will be many False Christ's and I believe he is referring to people who call themselves Christians and look to steal from the Jews their Nationality, the promise, and the very being of who and what they are. 23: Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. (Christian or anyone who professes to say that they have accepted Christ and his spirit and truth lives in them) 24: For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. 1: Judge not, that ye be not judged. 2: For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. Gods judgment will be if we attain eternal life with him or void of him. To say your grandmother that died in the Holocaust is now in hell is inexcusable and a clear example of laying down Judgement, a person who claims to be a Christian will most likely lose all respect from a Jew as well as regressing away from anything to do with Jesus, ask any psychologist and they will probably give you many reasons why. I firmly believe that people who do this type of teaching will themselves be Judged by the manner that they judged others thus turning them away from the truth. 22: Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23: And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. Do I feel the current state of Israel is important to God? Yes I do Do I feel the current Israel is the Christian people? no I do not. Do I feel Christians (Gentiles) are Jews? no I do not Israel and Jews are the same Israel and Jews that was depicted in the Old Testament scriptures as well as the new. That is not to say that a Christian like DLL who loves the Jews will be grafted into the promise that God made with Israel he surly will and will be the same as any other Jew when he is with the Lord. Those that reject Israel I feel will be cast out for one cannot be grafted into the root if they reject it. The following is two Examples in the Old Testament, and one in the New Testament both talk about the return of the Messiah but you will find they both are referring to the same time period and are meant for Jews in the Old and True Christians in the New I feel you should take the time to read it with an open heart; Now take a look at the similarity of this section of the verses in the Old Testament and the New Testament; Old Testament; 10: The earth shall quake before them; the heavens shall tremble: the sun and the moon shall be dark, and the stars shall withdraw their shining: 11: And the LORD shall utter his voice before his army: for his camp is very great: Old Testament; 15: The sun and the moon shall be darkened, and the stars shall withdraw their shining. 16: The LORD also shall roar out of Zion, and utter his voice from Jerusalem; and the heavens and the earth shall shake: but the LORD will be the hope of his people, and the strength of the children of Israel. New Testament; 24: But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, 25: And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken. 26: And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory. The description is pretty similar if not exact.......... The Old Testament uses the term Lord while the New Testament uses the Son of man. You can ask any Jew what to look for when the Messiah comes and they will tell you they are looking for a Redeemer with great power and glory. 26: And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory. The Jews and believers in Christ are both looking for the same Redeemer, the lesson here is those who Bless Israel will be blessed those that curse Israel ................. A Jew is no better than any other, it comes down to what and who God is. The point is God does the Judging. A true believer in Christ becomes a NON ISSUE since they will be the same when they are grafted into the tree of eternal life. We agree on one important factor that Jesus shed his blood for all of us if we wish to accept it, why not concentrate on that and caring for others without the demoralizing of others. I truly question your belief in Yeshua. For the words you deem to use towards Jews is vile and anti-Semitic you represent love but you preach hate. The Jews have not survived this long because of people like you they survived because it was deemed by God and no less. Your pride stinks in my book and you are drowning in your own manure, your words are nothing less than vile and your Judgement will be handed back to the way you have Judged the Jews and their homeland. Best of luck Emile and Robert as well as a few others you have been formally warned. I am defending not attacking your vile words against Jews has been going on for well over a year on this forum and if you wish to deny that your anti-Semitic you are simply in denial for any Jew that reads the filth you put out would come to only one conclusion and that is that You are anti-Semitic PERIOD. Alan