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To: Krowbar who wrote (23553)7/12/1998 2:37:00 PM
From: Grantcw  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 108807
 
Hello Del,

I've been reading this thread over the last couple of days and have found MANY issues that spark my interest.

As for the passage, here's my take on it. As I've said before, there are numerous web sites that are devoted to answering questions like this. I'll give it my best though.

Many people get confused when dwelling on the fact that God is loving. Yes, He is loving, but he also has other facets to his character such as being righteous and just. Imagine if you were God for a moment (I know this may seem hard, but try anyways) and created an Earth for people to live on. You would expect them to love you and give you some kind of respect, right? Well, many of these tribes decided to make their own Gods out of metal and worship them. What would you do?

Would it be fair to not punish them? Maybe, maybe not. I believe God was acting in his righteous/fair character by telling Israel to destroy those tribes that were not worshipping Him. Why kill all of them, you say?

"lest they teach you to make any such abonimable offerings as they make to their gods."

He didn't want their evil to mess up His Israel. If you don't believe in God, then killing people is probably wrong in your eyes. But in these circumstances, I think God did what was fair in His eyes. No one said that God was easy to understand.

I hope that was at least a decent attempt of explaining the passage to you. If you don't buy it, maybe I'll do some more research for you to give you a more palatable answer. I'm still learning a lot about God and don't understand much of Him.

As for your next message where you question the historical Jesus, I pose a question for you. Can you give me a hypothetical situation of what Jesus did and said to explain the rise of Christianity including the death of many Christians soon after Christ died due to the fact that they wouldn't deny Christ as the Son of God?

God bless,

Grant

P.S. Sorry if I'm coming off a little pompus or self-righteous. I'm not meaning to. The written word sometimes is a bit tough to convey your thoughts and feelings through.



To: Krowbar who wrote (23553)7/17/1998 3:21:00 PM
From: O'Hara  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 108807
 
><>...When you speak of God it would be wise for you to...><>

do so in a truthful manner, and if you don't understand the truth of God, and you are not interested in knowing it,then it would be wise not to speak of Him at all. Consider your every breath and thank Him.

I wonder if those people on the receiving end thought that god loved them. Anyway,
please explain all this to me so that I may have your wisdom

If it is wisdom you are truly seeking than ask God.
Ps 111:10
10 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: a good understanding have all they that do his commandments: his praise endureth for ever.

Del,First allow me to show you how it specifically reads, and then help you understand it.
Deut.20:10-18

10.When thou comest nigh unto a city to fight against it, then proclaim peace unto it.

11.And it shall be, if it make thee answer of peace, and open unto thee, then it shall be, that all the people that is found therein shall be tributaries unto thee, and they shall serve thee.

12.And if it will make no peace with thee, but will make war against thee, then thou shalt besiege it:

13.And when the LORD thy God hath delivered it into thine hands, thou shalt smite every male thereof with the edge of the sword:

14.But the women, and the little ones, and the cattle, and all that is in the city, even all the spoil thereof, shalt thou take unto thyself; and thou shalt eat the spoil of thine enemies, which the LORD thy God hath given thee.

15.Thus shalt thou do unto all the cities which are very far off from thee, which are not of the cities of these nations.

16.But of the cities of these people, which the LORD thy God doth give thee for an inheritance, thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth:

17.But thou shalt utterly destroy them; namely, the Hittites, and the Amorites, the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites; as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee:

18.That they teach you not to do after all their abominations, which they have done unto their gods; so should ye sin against the LORD your God.

They are here directed what method to take in dealing with the cities (these only are mentioned, v. 10, but doubtless the armies in the field, and the nations they had occasion to deal with, are likewise intended) upon which they made war. They must not make a descent upon any of their neighbours till they had first given them fair notice, by a public manifesto, or remonstrance, stating the ground of their quarrel with them.

In dealing with the worst of enemies, the laws of justice and honour must be observed; and, as the sword must never be taken in hand without cause, so not without cause shown. War is an appeal, in which the merits of the cause must be set forth.

But for any other nation which they made war upon, for the enlarging of their coast, the avenging of any wrong done, or the recovery of any right denied, they must first proclaim peace to the.
Let this show,
1. God's grace in dealing with sinners: though he might most justly and easily destroy them, yet, having no pleasure in their ruin, he proclaims peace, and beseeches them to be reconciled; so that those who lie most obnoxious to his justice, and ready to fall as sacrifices to it, if they make him an answer of peace,

II. The nations of Canaan are excepted from the merciful provisions made by this law. Remnants might be left of the cities that were very far off (v. 15), because by them they were not in so much danger of being infected with idolatry, nor was their country so directly and immediately intended in the promise; but of the cities which were given to Israel for an inheritance... no remnants must be left of their inhabitants (v. 16), for it put a slight upon the promise to admit Canaanites to share with them in the peculiar land of promise; and for another reason they must be utterly destroyed (v. 17), because, since it could not be expected that they should be cured of their idolatry, if they were left with that plague-sore upon them they would be in danger of infecting God's Israel, who were too apt to take the infection:

They will teach you to do after their abominations (v. 18), to introduce their customs into the worship of the God of Israel,
and by degrees to forsake him and to worship false gods; for those that dare violate the second commandment will not long keep to the first. Strange worships open the door to strange deities.

No excuses, no apologies. God is perfect and righteous, there is none like Him. Praise His Holy Name.

Prov 10:21-23
21 The lips of the righteous feed many: but fools die for want of wisdom.
22 The blessing of the LORD, it maketh rich, and he addeth no sorrow with it.
23 It is as sport to a fool to do mischief: but a man of understanding hath wisdom.

Prov 4:5-10
5 Get wisdom, get understanding: forget it not; neither decline from the words of my mouth.
6 Forsake her not, and she shall preserve thee: love her, and she shall keep thee.
7 Wisdom is the principal thing; therefore get wisdom: and with all thy getting get understanding.
8 Exalt her, and she shall promote thee: she shall bring thee to honour, when thou dost embrace her.
9 She shall give to thine head an ornament of grace: a crown of glory shall she deliver to thee.

Thank you Father for your Word.

Shalom...><>