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To: mark silvers who wrote (19170)	7/15/1998 8:03:00 PM
From: IN_GOD_I_TRUST	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39621

Mark, Steve again! Responding to your statement.... "God is now presented with two choices. Basically turn othe other cheek or an eye for an eye. He can take this evil acting person and torture his soul for eternity or he can choose to rehabilitate his soul that it works for/projects/ practices/ believes in love. Which is the more noble and higher path? Remember he can achieve this end using either method and end up with the same result because he is god. Which methodology ending up with the same result is the higher path?" But why do you think he does this at judgement time, after you die? God tells us clearly that rehabilitation, that love he is showing you is now! It would not be fair if he only showed after we died! That means he would be making us suffer here and now! Not knowing what our final destination is, until after we die. Would that be fair and loving? To have to guess all your life? Also let me pose this question, would God be fair if he tells us clearly while we live our lives here an now, that the only way to be saved is accepting Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior (and obviously he gives you a fair opportunity to do so), and then provides you a second chance after you die? Would that be fair to the people that were saved in this life and lived the Christian life? Now, if we went with your scenario, which you laid out, and we got a second chance. What if we blew that chance? Should we get endless chances. For your theory to be fair, you should be rehabilitated until you make the cut. And if that is true, why bother even live a life that ends in judgement. Everyone would pass eventually, so why bother going through the exercise. Why not just make everyone perfect upfront? Well that wouldn't be good because then we would be like robots, no free choice. You would have to do as God commands and created you, we would all be preprogrammed with no choice. Now going back to what God says where your opportunity is, here and now! How is that not fair or loving? He says if you some how didn't get an opportunity to know about him, say a young child, you are not penalized. That's fair! He says he will give you opportunities in your life, probably many in fact. You have everyday of your life (on the average 72 for men, 78 for women, last statistics I heard about), every hour of everyday, every minute of every hour, every second of every minute. So time is not the issue. And going one step further, he gives you a perfect instruction book (we know its perfect because there has never been an error or prophecy not fulfilled in the original manuscripts) how to save yourself. He gives you an open, endless communication channel to ask him. He always there too. And he promises to answer if you go to him with an open heart and mind, wanting to know! So how this is not fair and loving? Mark, I'm sorry to say God tells us after you die, it's too late. That's how he made his plan. When you see him, ask him why he did it this way. But that's how it is. So when you ask, "Which methodology ending up with the same result is the higher path?" Well God's methodology is the highest path, and he made it so you have to decide hear and now. It's fair and loving and the perfect plan, cause God is perfect. So Mark, I suggest you pray to him and ask for the truth. He will tell you if you want to know. And when he does, the glory you will receive from asking and getting the answer, and the happiness you'll receive knowing the truth, well it makes me want to cry how great it is! There is nothing more fulfilling in life then God's truth. And I know you probably heard this more times than you care to, but the truth will set you free! I'm praying for you. God Bless You, Steve

To: mark silvers who wrote (19170)	7/15/1998 8:25:00 PM
From: Alan Markoff	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39621

HI Mark, I hope my last post did not come across as lecturing for I have felt that here allot. I am as always only sharing my thoughts with you and respect yours. With love in Yeshua, Nancy

To: mark silvers who wrote (19170)	7/16/1998 12:19:00 AM
From: Jamey	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39621

Mark, I want to jump in too, but not to double -team you. God's personality is many faceted and impossible for us to completely understand and know his actions in all instances to his creation. Read the book of Job and empathise what he endured for God, even though there wa no sin found in his life. How manydifferent feelings would each one of us respondwith if we went through this test? Many times whatever we ask God for if he gave it to us it may affect many other lives. That is why we are told that we do not even know what to pray for, and to trust God for his will, not our daily wants that arise. You cannot put God in a framwork and scrutinise what he does. We are not even close to his knowledge so that I say "Let his will be done and may I accept it, because I know his ultimate purpose is for my perfection. I would not even begin to try to tell you what is will is in your circumstances and life. Regards, Santiago