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To: greenspirit who wrote (23690)	7/16/1998 1:44:00 AM
From: Grainne	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

Michael, these are the jet ski injury statistics from the Journal of the American Medical Association: Injuries from Personal Watercraft Increase Dramatically More specific training recommended CHICAGO-Personal watercraft (PWC) injuries have increased four fold in a five-year period and users are eight times more likely to suffer an injury than people on motorboats, according to an article in the August 27 issue of The Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA). Christine M. Branche, Ph.D., from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, Atlanta, Ga., and colleagues estimated the relative frequency, types of injury and demographic features of persons injured while using PWC in the U.S. The study included data on people treated for PWC-related injuries (an estimated 32,954) from January 1, 1990 through December 31, 1995. The most common injuries from PWC (often known as a jet ski) are lacerations, contusions, and fractures. The authors write: "Based on national estimates, injuries associated with PWC use have increased four-fold from an estimated 2,860 in 1990 to more than 12,000 in 1995. During the same period, there was a three-fold increase in the number of PWC in operation from approximately 241,500 in 1990 to an estimated 760,000 in 1995 ... The rate of injuries related to PWC treated in emergency departments (EDs) was about 8.5 times higher than the rate of ED-treated injuries from motorboats." The researchers note that the use of PWC in water recreation is relatively new, but has increased rapidly since 1990. Personal watercraft are less than 13 feet in length and are designed to be operated by persons sitting, standing, or kneeling on the craft instead of within the confines of the hull. These watercraft are cheaper, allow swifter movement and attain faster speeds in less time compared with larger, motor-driven boats. The authors offer several recommendations to help prevent injuries to PWC users. "Specific training for PWC users would be appropriate, much like training that is offered for persons operating boats. Given the fast speeds that can be achieved on PWC, training requirements and enforcement may reduce the number of injuries considerably." Other recommendations by the authors include adult supervision of minors who use PWC, extending right-of-way guidelines currently in place for boat operators to PWC users, implementing guidelines for maintaining safe distances and speeds and emphasizing the importance of wearing life jackets. They add that more research is needed to determine the appropriate method for both head and extremity protection. The correlation between alcohol use and PWC injuries was not determined in this study. Of the PWC-related injuries severe enough to require hospitalization (1,155 patients), 32 percent occurred after falling off the PWC and 33 percent after collisions. Seventy-five percent of the collisions were between PWC. (JAMA.1997;278:663-665) I am usually pretty careful when I consider whether statistics are probably correct or not. Those listed in medical journals, used in court cases like the one over jet ski use in the San Juan Islands, or published in major newspapers are generally reliable, simply because if they are not, they are challenged because readership is so widespread. In this case, these are the same statistics I gave you in the url. Instead of absorbing them, you decided to refute them, apparently, by saying that they represented increases, not hard cold data. But, as you can see, it appears that 32,954 people were injured between 1990 and 1995. I would agree that jet skis could be a lot safer, and a lot less polluting. It is too bad the manufacturers weren't more responsible when they designed and refined these vehicles. Now they will have to be, since the courts have gotten involved. I never advocated a total ban, incidentally. I don't think they are appropriate in national parks, however. Maybe private investors could build lakes where there are no endangered creatures, and no homes where people have a reasonable expectation of tranquility, and open jet ski parks!!! Free enterprise in motion!!! You have still not explained why your right to exploit and disturb and destroy nature overrides mine to enjoy it in a relatively peaceful manner. It sounds like you think you have a lot more rights than I do!

To: greenspirit who wrote (23690)	7/17/1998 3:35:00 PM
From: O'Hara	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 108807

><>Compassionate left ..STRIKES.. again! Hi Michael I trust that you are doing well here is a bit of Compassionate news .... You said that somebody on this thread made mention of legislatures having more important things to do than... The following is one of those more important things they just had to do! The CA. legislature announced that it will no longer supplement any food to the hungry people at soup kitchens in the state of CA. The singled out soup kitchens which will no longer receive any supplemented food are those which say prayers to thank God for their food, ...and... ask Him to help them out of their dire situations. The deep concern and sincere compassion of the legislature for these hungry and displaced helpless children as well as adults, has been over-ruled and discarded so easily, in favor of ...so you want to thank God do you? Well then no more food from us....you can starve for all we care. Compassion in action....!~! As defined by the left. ----------- ----------- But fear not my good friends, because the 17,000 lbs of food that is being held over the heads of these hungry people (until they stop praying to God for thanks) will now be donated by a really compassionate conservative private Corp. who was outraged at what was being done to these poor hungry helpless children in the middle....Praise God!...He does answer and honor prayer to Him in the name of His most precious Son Jesus the Christ. ____________ ____________ But take heart my friend,that decision of the legislature has been addressed by God Himself!...He is fair and just. 41. "Then he will say to those on his left, 'Away from me, you that are under God's curse! Away to the eternal fire which has been prepared for the Devil and his angels! 42.I was hungry but you would not feed me, thirsty but you would not give me a drink; 43.I was a stranger but you would not welcome me in your homes, naked but you would not clothe me; I was sick and in prison but you would not take care of me.' 44. "Then they will answer him, 'When, Lord, did we ever see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and would not help you?' 45.The King will reply, 'I tell you, whenever you refused to help one of these least important ones, you refused to help me.' These, then, will be sent off to eternal punishment, but the righteous will go to eternal life." ---------- ---------- So too has the sincerely compassionate decision of the private Corp. been addressed. Matthew 25:35-41 35.I was hungry and you fed me, thirsty and you gave me a drink; I was a stranger and you received me in your homes, 36.naked and you clothed me; I was sick and you took care of me, in prison and you visited me.' 37. "The righteous will then answer him, 'When, Lord, did we ever see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you a drink? 38.When did we ever see you a stranger and welcome you in our homes, or naked and clothe you? 39.When did we ever see you sick or in prison, and visit you?' 40.The King will reply, 'I tell you, whenever you did this for one of the least important of these members of my family, you did it for me!' Thanks be to Almight God for real people of compassion. Thank you Father in the name of Jesus Have a blessed day Michael, you and your family Shalom...><> Let's pray for the CA. state legis. and take it one step further...let's tell them we are praying for them.