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To: Grainne who wrote (23824)	7/21/1998 10:07:00 PM
From: James R. Barrett	1 Recommendation Respond to of 108807

>>"I am a pagan...... Most modern pagans are more concerned with the environment than with materialism. They recycle, try to live lives of simplicity, and are bound to consume as little as possible of the earth's resources. Honor, integrity, and the dignity of man living in a natural state are the basic tenets of this value system....."<< Then why are you not dressed in a loin cloth and living in a cave eating roots, berries and insects and cutting your hair and nails with a stone ax and taking a leak behind a bush while keeping a wary eye out for bears and mountain lions? Jim

To: Grainne who wrote (23824)	7/21/1998 10:15:00 PM
From: George S. Montgomery	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

Chrissy: I write this against the barrier of your seeing me as a gin-guzzling eccentric swarthed in liberated cockaroaches. It is not the Jesus/Buddha question I address. It is the God/Pagan one. I find any discussion of God meaningless until a definition is given to the subject: What is it that this God that we are discussing consists of? Only then we can discuss. I find the same problem with Pagan. What is a Pagan? You trumpet your identification with Pagan - but, what is it that you are identifying with? Is it a negative statement about not believing in this God or that God? Is it a statement of total disbelief - there is no overriding power/system/configuration? Are Jesus and Buddha two human creations that serve as launch pads from these terrestial confines to a more cosmic glimpse of our quarters? Or are they, in themselves, Gods? Pagan sounds sort of like you are burning something you do not like, or idolizing something you feel is all-fearful. It has a certain position, an opposition, a defiant creed. Even Craig assumes 'teachings' for his Buddha. Are you against 'teachings?' (I am.) But, being against teaching, where does that leave you - a rebel? I believe it is possible to shorten all the arguments recently appearing on Feelings into nothingness. Which, if you don't think about it, is about all there is. geo

To: Grainne who wrote (23824)	7/22/1998 7:56:00 AM
From: Sam Ferguson	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

Christine the word Pagan seems to be as limited to its understanding as the word God is. It is used mostly in a negative way deriding the religious understanding of God. It implies a Pagan is unrefined, ignorant, and very primitive. To me the Christian belief is the ultimate in ignorance. To discard all reason and logic for "faith" is ridiculous. And Pagan religion was plagiarized from myths and drama based on natural science.They were converted as actual historical events by the Roman empire. There is no such thing as a new "Gospel" as proclaimed by the bible.