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To: Emile Vidrine who wrote (19374)7/23/1998 8:19:00 AM
From: Alan Markoff  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 39621
 
Emile,
First of all you should put a link to the post you used from Shalom so we can see what he was answering to. I know how you can call people names and make false accusations as though they are truth for you have done it to many. You are a master for taking things out of context to make it look like you are being persecuted. Wake up!! Any persecution you get is from your own words and the Bible says that if you are persecuted for your own evil there is NO REWARD!!!!

<<You don't know much about the Bible and history, do you Dan?
The free for all started when Jesus was Crucified. His truth and his life is a sword that divides real believers from false. Soon after Jesus's Resurrectioin, the antichrist Jews tried to totally exterminate the Christian Jews. Then the pagan Romans destroyed Jerusalem and killed almost a million Jews.
For the next three centuries the antichrist Jews plotted and inflamed the pagan Roman crowds to murdered hundreds of thousands of Christians. Then the Roman gov. got the upper hand and passed discriminatory legislation against the Jews. etc. etc.And you think I started it all>>

You seem to think you are in that time, or are the same as the people that lived then, I think Alan is right you need professional help. You see all Jews as conspiring to "plot and inflame the pagan Romans to murder hundreds of thousands of Christians". Did the Jews plot and inflame them to the devastating destruction of Jerusalem or did they do this on there own? You blame the Jews for everything that happened to Christians and you are decevied for that is not your enemy.

<<Have I ever demanded that people follow levitical laws or the traiditions of modern Talmudic Judaism? We have bona fide Judaizers on this thread that will bring Christians back to circumcision and the livitical food laws as a form of righteouness. I would strongly suggest that you read the book of Galatians and the entire book of Romans and the 15th chapter of Acts.>>
When has anyone ever told anyone they have to do the law? You are not in touch with reality. If you think circumcision of the heart is from the levitical law you need to read Pauls letter a little closer for that is what you need to read. I will never join in your disrespectful wordsd to the Word of God for the sake of proving a point. I love the entire Word of God as did Paul and all the Apostles, this does not qualify me as a Judaiser but a person that loves the Word of God.

<<But when those same people begin to organized themselves in a cult and begin to preach that these things are necessary and that the Hebrew language is the only appropriate language for worship, we have full fledged modern Judaizers. Paul condemned these Judaizers in Galatia and he even had to help Peter escape their poisonous influence. These were our holy Jewish Apostles setting up the Christian Church under the guidance of the Holy Spirit.>>

Where does Paul call people Judaisers for speaking a language? Your charges are out of scripture and from the hardness of your uncircumcised heart. THis is my prayer for you Emile; Romans 2:29 No man is a Jew if he is one outwardly, and circumcision is CIRCUMCISION of the HEART by the Spirit not by the written code.

<<Easy on the individual young Christians with scruples about what to eat and what to drink, and circumcision and what day to worship but anathema to those who would set denominations to perpetuate this Judaizing.>>

You are the only one that says we have to use only the language you have approved. I have never told anyone they can only pray a certain way, but you have, and do. You are deceived because of the hardness of your heart.

If you fail to put the link to Shaloms post I will find it and post what upset him in the first place so you can stop your phoney persecuted like the prophets hypocrisy.
Nancy



To: Emile Vidrine who wrote (19374)7/23/1998 10:27:00 AM
From: PROLIFE  Respond to of 39621
 
Emile,

"There are several good statements here in the last few posts, among those are............... and Nancy's statement that we could certainly all go back and find posts to "bring" against each other,
Is that what Nancy said??


Yeah, I'll have to give you that one.:o) I think I was just "thinking" what she said rather than "reading" what she said. But I think my idea was that we have all either said things against one another or the tone of our"words" here have been harsh.

Have I ever demanded that people follow levitical laws or the traiditions of modern Talmudic Judaism? We have bona fide Judaizers on this thread that will bring Christians back to circumcision and the livitical food laws as a form of righteouness.

No, you never have, and neither has DLL, or the Markoffs, demanded that I be circumcised, or not eat pork or whatever. I do hear them say Hebrew words, which only bother me if not interpreted, or if ever used in superiority. They can say prayers in Hebrew just as well as you probably could in French. So what?

Now IF they tell me I got to physically get circumcised again, THEN I WILL HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY. :o)

Relax, Emile, you know our congregation believes in NO musical instruments in services. So in heaven I figure I will get the cymbols.

God Bless

dan