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To: Chris land who wrote (19579)7/25/1998 8:49:00 PM
From: IN_GOD_I_TRUST  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 39621
 
Chris (and all),

I have not been to involved with this conversation but just wanted to interject one thought. Please tell me what you or anyone else on this thread thinks!

What if both camps were right? By both camps I mean, the camps you specify of one for the Christ and the Jews and one for Christ and his Church.

I heard a great preacher who I admire and respect greatly preach that there were two different tracts of scripture talked about in the bible running parallel. One track of the church and one track of Israel! He painted the picture of two railroad tracks running parallel, that converge somewhere down the tracks into one track, or one church!

If this were true, and I never really shook out his theory thouroughly (maybe the thread can help me), both sides could be right. Wouldn't that be beautiful!

Anyway, I thought if the thread and I could come to the realization that this was possible, we would all have peace! But we need to discover if this viewpoint could be true according to the scriptures only. Not just because we like it!

God Bless,
Steve



To: Chris land who wrote (19579)7/25/1998 8:51:00 PM
From: Alan Markoff  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 39621
 
Chris,
I guess it is compatible since Jesus was a Jew and so were the Apostles. What is the exact theology that you are against? Again you just start calling names and saying Jewish camp etc.. but you never give sound reasoning for your comments. To reason scripture you have to use it.
Nancy



To: Chris land who wrote (19579)7/25/1998 10:11:00 PM
From: Robert E. Hall  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 39621
 
Greetings Chris, and all who love the Lord Jesus Christ. To answer your question according to the Word of God, No, they are not compatible. We are in the same camp my brother as are All who have received the Lord Jesus Christ. We can " thank " one of our brothers in Christ, Schofield, for his false teachings on " Dispensationalism " for much of this error and false doctrine which violates the Word of God. Chris, I understand the Bible to teach that God has always had " one " people of His own. According to Gen. 12:3 the promise made to Abraham, was that through him ( his lineage- the seed ), ALL the families of the earth would be blessed. This is pointing to the Lord Jesus Christ who would come from the remnant of Israel. As Israel was the chosen race under the Old Covenant ( chosen primarily that through them would come the promised One, Jesus Christ, this was their chosedness) we often see where Gentiles joined themselves with " Israel " to serve the only true God. Israel means by biblical definition, " to be overcome by God ". Jacob best exemplifies this struggle that all the people of God go through, both in Old and New Covenants. At Calvary, God displayed His greatest power by the resurrection of His Son, the Lord Jesus Christ, and accomplished salvation for ALL peoples and nations, thus fullfilling His promise made to Abraham. The Bride, the Church of the firstborn, the Israel of God, the new Jerusalem , was now open to ALL NATIONS AND PEOPLES. No longer does God deal with one nation, as with Israel under the Old Covenant, but now the people of God are those from all nations who have the faith of Abraham in their heart toward the Lord Jesus Christ. The Old Covenant has been transcended by a better and New Covenant, Jesus Christ Himself the administrator. The state of Israel has no special place or position over any other nation on this earth since Calvary. The Old Covenant is obsolete. God deals with ALL PEOPLES the same now and has broken down the barrier between Jew and Gentile by His Son, the Lord Jesus Christ. We are All One in Christ Jesus. Praise His Most Holy Name, forevermore. Sorry Chris for such length. In closing Chris, I really believe that there are many Christians who do not understand the Old Covenant and the reason for a New Covenant. Nice to hear from you Chris, Grace and peace be unto you and your family and the Israel of God. Robert