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To: Greenpeace who wrote (17471)7/26/1998 3:06:00 PM
From: DMaA  Respond to of 20981
 
Fine as long as you acknowledge that we would have to repeal the 2nd amendment first. If your crowd accomplishes your goal without doing this, the Constitution is just toilet paper. If we suspend the Constitution, are we really doing "The Children" a favor?



To: Greenpeace who wrote (17471)7/26/1998 3:07:00 PM
From: Zoltan!  Respond to of 20981
 
>>As a matter of fact , it is for the children that the guns should be baned. glad you agree wit me.

Green Pees,

Glad to see that you are a consistent totalitarian, assuming you meant "banned". You, dear dimwit, are the bane of the informed, making you so typical of your ilk.



To: Greenpeace who wrote (17471)7/26/1998 3:38:00 PM
From: Zoltan!  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 20981
 
Green Pees, I know this can't help someone as terminally vapid as you, but I shall still try to stop your abuse of children:

More Guns, Less Crime:
Understanding Crime and Gun Control

John R. Lott, John M. Olin Visiting Fellow in Law and Economics, University of Chicago


ISBN:
0226493636
Publisher:
University of Chicago Press
Pub. Date:
April 1998


Synopsis

Challenging conventional wisdom, legal scholar John Lott presents a
timely and provocative work in which he comes to a startling conclusion:
more guns mean less crime. Relying on the FBI''s massive yearly crime
figures over 18 years, "More Guns, Less Crime" should be required
reading for anyone interested in the critical debate over gun control.
Illustrations.

Expert Commentary

From Kirkus:
An intriguing and shocking took at crime, guns, and gun control policy.
Lott (Law/Univ. of Chicago) writes with a relentless distaste for
conventional wisdom, such as the belief that most people are killed by
someone they know. That category, Lott protests, is simply too large to
be meaningful, and he takes to task the notion that concealed guns
increase crime. To Lott's mind, citizens who carry concealed guns protect
themselves against both friends and strangers and prevent the death of
innocent citizens. Lott cites a host of cases where armed victims
managed to outwit or kill their attackers. Common sense approaches like
gun buyback programs or waiting periods for gun parchases, the hallmark
of the Brady Bill, also seem useless to Lott. He draws on studies and
data to suggest that an armed citizen is a safe citizen. Lott stresses that
many western states like Arizona, Texas, and Oklahoma have
nondiscretionary handgun laws, and crime is significantly lower in those
areas. Sure to raise questions and some controversy, and hopefully will
draw attention to the complex issue of crime and potential solutions.

From The Publisher:
Does allowing people to own or carry guns deter violent crime? Or does it
cause more citizens to harm each other? Wherever people happen to fall
along the ideological spectrum, their answers are all too often founded
upon mere impressionistic and anecdotal evidence. In this direct
challenge to conventional wisdom, legal scholar John Lott presents the
most rigorously comprehensive data analysis ever done on crime. In this
provocative work he comes to a startling conclusion more guns mean less
crime. In what may be his most controversial conclusion, Lott finds that
mass public shootings, such as the infamous examples of the Long
Island Railroad by Colin Ferguson or the 1996 Empire State Building
shooting, are dramatically reduced once law-abiding citizens in a state
are allowed to carry concealed handguns.
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Based on the following academic study:

Crime, Deterrence, and Right-to-Carry Concealed Handguns

John R. Lott, Jr.

School of Law

University of Chicago

Chicago, Illinois 60637

and

David B. Mustard

Department of Economics

University of Chicago

Chicago, Illinois 60637

July 26, 1996

* The authors would like to thank Gary Becker, Phil Cook, Clayton Cramer, Gertrud Fremling, EdGlaeser, Hide Ichimura, Don Kates, Gary Kleck, David Kopel, William Landes, David McDowall,Derek Neal, Dan Polsby, and Douglas Weil and the seminar participants at the University of Chicago,American Law and Economics Association Meetings, and the Western Economic Association Meetings for their unusually helpful comments.

Abstract

Using cross-sectional time-series data for U.S. counties from 1977 to 1992, we find that allowing citizens to carry concealed weapons deters violent crimes and it appears to produce no increase in accidental deaths. If those states which did not have right-to-carry concealed gun provisions had adopted them in 1992, approximately 1,570 murders; 4,177 rapes; and over 60,000 aggravate assaults would have been avoided yearly. On the other hand, consistent with the notion of criminals responding to incentives, we find criminals substituting into property crimes involving stealth and where the probabilities of contact between the criminal and the victim are minimal. The largest
population counties where the deterrence effect on violent crimes is greatest are where the substitution effect into property crimes is highest. Concealed handguns also have their greatest deterrent effect in the highest crime counties. Higher arrest and conviction rates consistently and dramatically reduce the crime rate. Consistent with other recent work (Lott, 1992b), the results imply that increasing the arrest rate, independent of the probability of eventual conviction, imposes a significant penalty on criminals. The estimated annual gain from allowing concealed handguns is at least $6.214 billion....

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To: Greenpeace who wrote (17471)7/26/1998 4:16:00 PM
From: jlallen  Respond to of 20981
 
Riiiiiiiight! JLA



To: Greenpeace who wrote (17471)7/26/1998 4:26:00 PM
From: Catfish  Respond to of 20981
 
D.C. Shooting - Worthless 'Gun Control' laws FAIL AGAIN

Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership (JPFO)
07/25/98 Richard Stevens, JPFO Firearms Sentinel Editor

Charging through a metal detector and shooting two Capitol police officers, a killer invaded the Capitol building on Friday afternoon, July 24, 1998, with apparent intent to harm a political leader in the building. As the killer used a firearm to kill the officers, we can expect renewed calls for more "gun control." Defenders of the right to keep and bear arms must be ready.

This particular murderous attack teaches some valuable lessons. First, the attack demonstrated that "gun control" laws do not prevent crime. The attacker carried a concealed firearm in a federal building in Washington, D.C. and later discharged it there. He therefore violated several federal and local (D.C.) firearms laws, as well as laws against assault, battery, and homicide. The laws did not stop a determined killer.

Second, the attack showed how important it is to have an armed defense against aggressors. The Capitol attacker was able to kill and injure far fewer persons than did the young teenage school boys in Jonesboro. What was the difference? The Capitol attacker charged into a building where the defenders were armed. The Jonesboro killers fired on unarmed and undefended victims.
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After killing several persons and injuring dozens more, the Jonesboro killers escaped without injury to themselves. The Capitol attacker, however, was injured when one of his victims (before dying) shot back. The Jonesboro school victims died undefended. The Capitol attacker's intended victim (as yet unknown), was defended and suffered no injury whatsoever.

Third, the Capitol attack proved again that the mere presence of armed police and metal detectors will not deter some aggressors. Some particularly dedicated, fanatical, or psychotic killers will attack innocent people, regardless of the risks of criminal prosecution or death. These killers can only be stopped by superior force, and sometimes even the police cannot deploy sufficient force to prevent all injuries and deaths.

If police officers cannot guarantee protection even to themselves in a well-defended Capitol building, then they surely cannot guarantee protection to ordinary citizens in ordinary homes. The police owe no legal duty to protect individual citizens; their job is only to protect society in general. If you face a threat of attack by a deranged and murderous aggressor, then trading your gun for a telephone to dial "9-1-1" is to surrender to the killer.
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JPFO mourns the deaths of the two Capitol police officers who died in the line of duty. They gave up their lives to defend innocent people against a murderous attacker. No more noble sacrifice of life is possible. JPFO offers its heartfelt condolences to the families of those officers, who themselves will suffer their personal loss forever.

Words and feelings cannot reverse the officers' families' pain and suffering. The "gun control" lobby, however, will likely use this incident to launch a campaign to disarm and thereby leave completely defenseless other innocent persons. Don't allow the gun prohibition rhetoric to go unchallenged -- answer the newspaper editorials in your town, and call into talk shows. You could save a life -- possibly your own.

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