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To: Gregory D. John who wrote (349)	7/29/1998 10:30:00 AM
From: gregor	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 638

Gregory: Am I being sarcastic about Aristotle and his beliefs ? No. Not at all. My point is that in any civilization there are commonly held beliefs that are later found to be absurd. Aristotle therefor is known more for his ability to make some rather astounding deductions from some rather skimpy data. As far as a list of recipients of my contributions . I support my local church liberally and we have a very prosperous church but I also support to a lesser degree several churches in my area that are having a hard time financially. I support Appalachian Teen Challenge in Athens West Virginia one of my favorites. They rehabilitate criminals, drug offenders, runaways,sexual offenders; the worst of the worst. It is run by an EX corporate executive by the name of Jim Nichols. I also support some food banks, a home for battered women, a Presbyterian Childrens Home, a boys home, Times Square church, and a few evangelists, occasionally. But do you know what all my contributions will get me. Nothing.I know this comes as a shock to you but they are not worth enough to wipe the spit off of God's lips. The very best we can offer God is but "filthy rags " in the eyes of God. That is why we need Jesus. No other way. Jesus is IT. God is a rewarder of the faith that we place in what Christ did for us. I want nothing in return for the charities I donate to. I want nothing in return for the 20 hours a week I spend ministering to others on the www. I want nothing in return for the many people I have led to the Lord. But , and this is a big but. I do want my full reward for the faith, the expectations, and the anticipation that I have fully measured by the shed blood of my Lord, and by His teachings and example that He set forth. In Christ..gregor

To: Gregory D. John who wrote (349)	7/29/1998 11:41:00 PM
From: Jane Hafker	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 638

Greg, you are a brilliant man, and there is nothing worse than being locked in a brilliant mind without God to guide you. You cannot comprehend the beauty you are shutting out. He is all we say, and more. HE CANNOT BE DESCRIBED. I speak of Jesus Christ, truly the GLORY OF GOD. I see no difference between you and say, Augustine. Except Augustine finally threw in the towel. Then he became the Augustine we know. Don't you have the understanding that before that he was the same Augustine, but WITHOUT GOD? It's all so frustrating to try to get through to you. It will take a miracle, and when God is ready, He will do it.

To: Gregory D. John who wrote (349)	7/30/1998 11:56:00 AM
From: gregor	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 638

In any science you have necessary first principles. For geometry it would be a straight line. For math, positive or negative numbers. For Christianity, God is Love. It is impossible for God to act in a way that is contrary to love for mankind. Even in judgement or eradication of an evil civilization it would be for the ultimate aim of restoration. This brings us to the idea of why a God of love would demand that a soul be condemned to hell for all eternity as an act of love. Love for whom? The bible first of all tells us that it pleased God to see Christ suffer on the cross. Christ willingly hung there when He had a legion of angels ready to rescue Him. So even if a sinner does not recognize what Christ did then why does God require eternal punishment for this oversight ? The answer lies in the human heart; wicked beyond all imagination. All evil generations are looking for a sign. But when they get a sign they are looking for a more convincing sign. Just as Isreal had killed all the prophets that God sent them they also killed Christ. They had reached the point where the Holy Spirit withdrew from their hardened hearts. Likewise in eternal damnation the Holy Spirit has withdrawn and there is no desire for anything of God. What that person rejected with the urging of the Holy Spirit will also be eternally rejected without the urging and calling of the Holy Spirit. So you say, why would not a Holy loving God then send His Holy Spirit once again even to a person in hell to urge them to come to God. The answer is that even then, it would not do any good. By that time the heart is so hardened they would reject the calling of God even then. They would rather then spend eternity in hell than admit they were wrong. They would rather spend eternity in anguish than to admit they were wrong. Even then they would choose judgement rather than grace. All sciences start out with puzzles, observations, and opinions. An inductive procedure takes over that leads to first principles that then lead to the laws of the science. However if the first principles are inaccurate the whole of the science will be flawed. The straight line in geometry. Light then we say travels in a straight line, but does it. Light travels through space but space is curved. So we have straight light traveling through a curved space so then is a straight line really straight ?? When light invades the darkness you have light. But what about when darkness invades the light ? Do you have darkness ? Less light ? The same amount of light is still there ? You can have varying degrees of light ? What is whiteness ? Science tells us all lights in the spectrum create white light.? The white light broken down gives us all the colors. ? How can this be ? You have some very basic assumptions in your own personal philosophy that are dead wrong. I do not know what they are but this is the only thing that can explain your separation from Jesus Christ. One day science will be able to explain how Christ walked on the water. I do not know how He did it but as Albert Einstein says , the most misunderstood thing about the universe is that it is explainable. In Christ...gregor