Wow...excellent post on SH
by Common Sense...
What do you think Jer??? :)))
Excalibur said......
> ( Look at what goes on in Canada! Human rights tribunals
> no less! And how some revel in Jerry Collns' dad being
> hauled in front of such a thing. They should be
> condemning these "tribunals" but, of course, being in
> favor of censorship, they applaud 'em! )
> Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm.................and these guys wonder how
> the average Joe fell for Nazi and Soviet propaganda!?
The problems with the society we live in is that the concept of free speech can be a demon itself. It
offers the ability to promote such things as Nazism and what the Soviets called Communism, which
in turn creates the possiblity of one day these evils(as we assume and believe them to be) to take
over. Should this happen, the ability to return to what we now have would be removed, regardless
of popular sentiment. The only tool that the 'freedom' lover truly has are its so called tribunals such
as the Human rights one.
Censorship, as you are well aware I am sure, is a truly difficult concept in a free society for obvious
reasons, such as 'Where do you draw the line'. I do believe though, to safeguard our freedom, or
the little we have, it is necessary to a degree.
The promotion of hatred and bigotry is not an allowable expression of free speech. Rather, it is an
abuse of the freedom we have. The argument that maybe the whole world is wrong, and only a few
right, doesn't wash here. The true test in a case of Jerry's father is simple. How would you feel if you
were on the receiving end of his comments. If you feel, by truly placing yourself there, that they are
fair and true, then he should have the right to express them. If on the other hand, they upset you if
put in that position, then they become racist and bigotted.
My roots are from a country that was overrun by the Nazi's and my parents were witness to the
atrocities. His promotion of the concept it was all lies, and the rest of his rhetoric do not match those
of the witnesses. My parents description have not been tainted by government intervention nor
propaganda. They were there. People like Doug Collins abuse free speech with the propaganda
they spew, and thus the need for the Human Rights Tribunal's exist.
One thing worth considering. If Doug Collins was in contradiction to Nazi, Soviet, or Chinese
government positions, he would have been dead or in a cell somewhere by now. In Canada, he has
been given the opportunity, to explain himself, which speaks highly of our Country. I know of some
people, who believe that rather than waste tax dollars and this scum, a bullet would have been much
cheaper.
Now, in closing, whether or not it is fair to lump Jerry in with his father, well, to be honest, I cannot
remember seeing a post yet where he has supported his fathers views, nor have I seen an legitimate
proof that he supports him. His only crime todate maybe in his methods and his attacks on certain
individuals, that have in turn spawned the attacks back. He needs to understand that most of the
investors involved here do not blame AV, or Mesa, or Carson, for what has transpired. We are
adults. We made our decisions based on the research we did, and the information available. In the
end, we bought the stock because we believed all information and research to suggest that there
was a good chance this stock would fly. When GSTQ, goes after Carson, or AV, or MESA, and
suggests they sucked in, or misrepresented this situation, he goes after each and everyone of us. I
feel he is insulting me by suggesting that I have been made a sucker. In turn, after enuf of this I get
frustrated and comment accordingly. He can spare the recriminations, because I have enough of my
own at this time, for myself.
When the forum moves, it is for this reason. If he had information that was of value, assisted in the
decision to buy or sell, then he is valuable. But when all he provides is catcalls, inuendoes and smart
ass remarks, he becomes abusive, and perhaps, while in a different forum, not unlike his father.
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