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To: Emile Vidrine who wrote (19790)	7/30/1998 10:40:00 PM
From: IN_GOD_I_TRUST	Respond to of 39621

Emile, I humbly have to disagree with this statement: "Without the New Testament knowledge that Jesus Christ was the Messiah of Israel that came to redeem man from their sins, the Old Testament is a dead book without fulfillment." How can you say this? Was no one ever saved before Jesus Christ emerged on the scene? You yourself have talked about a believing church before Jesus Christ was born. Wasn't it this post: Message 5362939 Wasn't their anyone who belonged to the faith of Abraham SEED classification before Christ was born? How were they saved? The New Testament message did not exist yet. But the Old Testament message did! Was everyone before Christ emerged damned? The New Testament message was not oral or written yet, so how could anyone be saved? The New Testament message was just a fulfillment of the message from the Old Testament! So if after the knowledge of Christ is known, you want to call it the New Testament message, go ahead. But before Christ it was the Old Testament message. There synonymous! The part of your statement I do agree with however is, if Jesus and the New Testament did not fulfill the Old Testament, then the Old Testament was worthless. Why? Cause God wrote the Old Testament. And God is perfect! So his word has to be perfect. That is why the Old Testament tells us about sin, how we are saved, who saves us, when he is going to come (to the exact day), how he was going to die! And it was fulfilled 100% accurately. So contrary to what you believe, Bob told me the Old Testament message, fulfilled in the New Testament! I believed in the Old Testament message, and I believed in Christ! Pure and simple! Do you not see Christ was not told to us by God in the Old Testament? God Bless, Steve

To: Emile Vidrine who wrote (19790)	7/31/1998 5:37:00 AM
From: John S.	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39621

Hello Emile, Just a word to say I am greatly enjoying the study in Hebrews and the presence of the Holy Spirit in Gods' people here! His peace is evident again. My employment is interfering with my true passion being Gods' word so I must resort to catching up on your posts just before the sun rises and I retire. Praise God for the work being done here and the joy we as His people can have in praising His holy name and His perfect word! Your brother in Christ, John

To: Emile Vidrine who wrote (19790)	8/3/1998 3:39:00 PM
From: IN_GOD_I_TRUST	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 39621

Emile (from Bob), I want to comment on several of the points you made in this response to Steve. <<Bob simply used a very creative Holy Spirit inspired way to present the Gospel to you, but it was still the simple New TEstament Gospel.>> 1. You have a tendency of putting the house beneath the foundation. The simple New Testament Gospel you refer to is actually the simple Old Testament Gospel. The OT is first, while there were Levitical Laws in place, it was fully understood in the OT by the big guns (David, Job, Jacob ...etc) that they were sinners who were saved by faith in their Redeemer (We happen to know the Name of the Redeemer now) and not by their adherence to the Law. <<When Bob proved to you that "Jesus fulfilled all of the Old Testament prophecy about the promised Messiah., he was in fact using the knowledge from the New Testament to tell you that.>> 2. The NT is not the only vehicle to 'prove' that Jesus is the Messiah. The OT tells us that the Messiah had to come at a particular point in time, live a certain life and die a certain way. My mission to the Jews is to illustrate the OT Messianic prophecies and ask the question, who came before 70 AD that could have fulfilled all the OT Messianic Prophecies. The New Testament is not needed to prove that Jesus Christ is the Messiah. If the NT is needed to prove that Jesus is the Messiah, THEN HE IS NOT. When I spoke to Steve and when I speak to any Jewish person about the Messiah, I only use OT prophecies and let history speak for itself to bring them to faith in Christ. If they wish to delve into the NT I'm glad to, but I certainly don't need a word of the NT to prove that the Messiah has come. The NT simply tells us His Name. <<Without the New Testament knowledge that Jesus Christ was the Messiah of Israel that came to redeem man from their sins, the Old Testament is a dead book without fulfillment.>> 3. The OT a dead book before Christ? That's what you're saying here. I don't believe David, Nehemiah, Moses, Isaiah ... etc thought so. I surely hope you don't think so. Let me rephrase that, you're saying if Christ hadn't come yet, the Old Testament is a dead book simply because it hadn't been fulfilled. Let me explain a very basic concept, it is not the fulfillment of God's Word that makes it alive, it is the simple fact that IT IS GOD'S WORD. In His love, Bob