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To: Alastair McIntosh who wrote (10113)8/2/1998 4:58:00 PM
From: Cannon  Respond to of 43774
 
Here we go again....must be an echo in here.



To: Alastair McIntosh who wrote (10113)8/2/1998 5:27:00 PM
From: xbrent  Read Replies (4) | Respond to of 43774
 
Well it is sunday evening and we are back in the same place we were a week ago. Back to the Belize problem one more time. In the course of the last week we have had a person go to Belize, see the building site and talk with the builder. The builder indicates that the project is a go. I encourage anyone to read the posts of the visit. I think that more than 90% of the persons who deal with this stock understand that we have a political problem in Belize because of the election which will be held in a few weeks. The Company has positioned itself so that it will prevail regardless of who wins the election. The Company has spent months nurturing this project and remains convinced that the project will be a successful venture. Why are we still dealing with it? We are dealing with it because the Company and the Belize government are unable to deal with it at this moment because of local politics. It may also be an attempt by some to negotiate a better deal. Has the Company lied? Again I think that you will find that more than 90% of the people who deal with the stock think that the Company has not lied but rather is in a delicate and awkward political situation.
Last sunday I suggested that anyone uncomfortable with Belize should sell. Maybe most of them did, but obviously some have not. I have been criticized for that statement. But I still recommend it.
The Company is alot more than Belize. The Company is defining itself as a financial services firm specializing in domestic and international mortgages, paper, and electronic and offering companion services. I think that you will find that they define all of that within a few weeks. Moreover, the Company has a infant electronic brokerage firm that began to advertise this week. I think that when they advertise on CNBC that the stock will rocket. The biggest liability the company has is the number of shares outstanding. The Company has repeatedly indicated a desire to grow its way out of the number of outstanding shares. One needs to keep in mind that Treasury shares used in acqusitions are restricted. They are still outstanding but restricted. Some have calculated that it is possible for the company to have earnings per share more that equal to the present value of the shares. I don't know how they calculated that but they have done it a number of times.
I realize that the Belize problem bothers some people. It bothers me because of that. I really don't much care about it in terms of the overall Company. The moment the Company does a mortgage deal in Costa Rica for example, it will dwarf the Belize project. The moment the brokerage takes off Belize will be forgotten in a split second.
Perhaps there are some who own the Company because of Belize only.
For those people I appreciate the extent of their concern. I had a PM this week indicating that their is a good likly hood that Belize may be clarified this week. Thats good news because we won't have to deal with it next sunday.



To: Alastair McIntosh who wrote (10113)8/2/1998 6:07:00 PM
From: LegalBeast  Respond to of 43774
 
Okie Dokie, you asked for it, so here it is, piece by piece ...

<<<< NEW YORK--(BUSINESS WIRE)--July 8, 1998--PanAmerican BanCorp (PRWT), which recently merged with Purewater Sciences International Inc., has announced that the first mortgage applications have been received from Belize. >>>>

It is my understanding that locals have applied. Do you have any information to the negative?

<<<< Its wholly owned subsidiary, Affordable Housing Group Ltd., is the first foreign company to be licensed to conduct mortgage banking in the country of Belize. >>>>

As you were just told in a previous post, this is a political nightmare. I do not believe that this is a false post, but I do agree that Panam needs to come forward with the true story, good or bad, so that we can move on to bigger and better things.

<<<< The first 800 of some 6,000 mortgage applications from Belize citizens are being processed. The first closings are expected in late August or early September. >>>>

Again, I believe that this is factual

<<<< Most borrowers are government workers or other civil servants and employees of large Belize companies. The home foundations have been laid out and the models will be completed as scheduled; inauguration of the sub-division is set for September. >>>>

Is there any other demographic information you wish to share oh knowledgable one?

<<<< The government of Belize has backed the program >>>>

Yup, this is the clarification we are awaiting, but then what is the "Program?" In Belize publications and narratives, we also know that the Govt of Belize is looking for ways to finance development and to provide homes for their people.

<<<< and investors have committed to fund $10,000,000 in mortgages monthly beginning immediately. >>>>

This one is definately true. They will be selling them into the secondary market just like the operation in Las Vegas does.

<<<< PanAmerican BanCorp will receive an origination fee in Belize approximating 5% and an annual servicing fee of 2% on the mortgage portfolio balance - a very lucrative fee schedule for originating warehousing and servicing government guaranteed mortgages. >>>>

Sounds reasonable to me. Do you have any information that suggests this is not true?

<<<< PanAmerican BanCorp expects the mortgages in Costa Rica to be larger than anticipated. John Schmitz, CEO of PanAmerican BanCorp, will return to Costa Rica in late summer to further arrangements to provide mortgages to the 20,000 new homes under the government guarantee program. Loans are approximately $25,000 to $30,000 each. >>>>

What is wrong with this statement?

<<<< The matters discussed in this news release may be considered "forward looking" statements, within the meaning of Section 27A of the Securities Act of 1933, as amended and section 21E of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934, as amended. Such statements include declarations regarding the intent, belief or current expectations of the company and its management. Prospective investors are cautioned that such forward-looking statements are not guarantees of future performance and involve a number of risks and uncertainties that could materially affect actual results. >>>>

This is a "Safe Harbor" statement that simply put says that the stuff talked above is our EXPECTATION of what is going to be happening. The fact that the govt of Belize has decided to embroil us in their political mess is not really what we expected to happen. Because of that involvement, some of the statements above may not come to pass exactly as expected ...

>>>> CONTACT: PanAmerican BanCorp Investor Relations 516/232-2221 >>>>

Any problem here?

Now Aliastar, you have a history, I think you will agree, of asking innocent leading questions that spin the situation in your direction. Have you attended the Ken Starr School of Questioning? As example, "must we not assume that the Company has lied in its press release of July 8?" ... well, no, we must only pay taxes and die! I am sure that you know that when you assume, you make an ASS out of U and ME! I for one am really getting tired of this. First because I feel that the company does owe us an explanation other than "All will be answered". But by the same token, I don't appreciate you putting a spin on it that suggests that since the company has to walk on egg shells and has thus far opted not to disclose to us the dealings in Belize, that there must be lies and deciept going on.

Now then, if you eliminate Belize from the equation all together. Just throw the baby out with the bath water. What are you left with? You have I.T, you have Affordable Housing Group which is licensed in 14 states, You have the Las Vegas connection, and you also have the expectation of an insurance company coming into the fold. The profits from those operations would easily support a stock price of .25 or more.

I admit, Belize is a screwup, but even if a PR were to come out tomorrow saying that Belize is off the balance sheet and all operations there are a total loss, we are still tremendously undervalued. I do not expect such a PR, but if it or something like it did happen, I would not care at all, because we could then move on without your innocent accusations helping to keep us back!

JMHO



To: Alastair McIntosh who wrote (10113)8/2/1998 6:09:00 PM
From: DealMaker  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 43774
 
Alastair:

What you are ASSUMING is that the Belizean govt., or better put, that part of the Belizian Govt that has put out the PR, is telling the truth.......just like us investors that are ASSUMING that PRWT is telling the truth that they have secured the govt's backing. If you are implying that PRWT is putting out an untrue press release or lying about it, you are no better of than those of us who feel the Belize PR is a lie. It's becomes an argument of my word against your word. It simply says that you have taken a side based on something you've read.......just like a lot of us have. A better way to ask this question may be, "Who is telling the truth?" Assuming that one side or the other is lying without knowing all the facts should be left to those who prefer to be irresponsible in their decision-making process. Most of those that own the stock might tend to believe PRWT management over the Belize PR since PRWT has followed through on most of what they have said they would do. Why would anyone buy into this company that's not reporting?......hmmm......maybe the stock price is a lot more attractive before it reports, and maybe it's a penny stock and has been pre-determined by it's investors that it has certain risk, or maybe the investor is interested in daytrading on momentum,etc. Like you , we all make our own choices. JMHO.

DM



To: Alastair McIntosh who wrote (10113)8/2/1998 6:47:00 PM
From: Jim B  Respond to of 43774
 
you've gotten plenty of comments.. but at this point WHY would
PRWT issue another press release concerning Belize??

1)They already put out a PR saying they have deals going on in Belize
2)Current gov't in Belize denies PanAm dealings

What good would ANOTHER PR from PRWT do unless it had names and phone
#'s or some CONCRETE factual evidence of the current relationship.

this is something that they want to strategically do.. maybe they need
to wait for the elections at end of this month so they can have the
government of Belize at that time make the announcement.. who knows..

but a PR like this

"OTC:BB PRWT PanAm Corp announces that their current business in Belize is working and is operation despite current claims of Belize
officials."

What good would that do???

Belize is an issue.. and how it turns out will affect the credibility
of PRWT... but let's not forget that people have already met in person
with people in Belize that not only provided their names.. but
their positions and phone #'s for what they are doing with PRWT..

so again as far as I"m concerned.. stock remains strongly undervalued
and shows good short and long term potential.

unless things change.. I'm not going anywhere..

jim