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To: Henry Volquardsen who wrote (20044)	8/6/1998 11:50:00 PM
From: John S.	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39621

Good evening all, Regarding the sparing of life and the taking of it I believe that the laws of the land may be applicable in some circumstances in Gods eyes. What do you think of these verses... Romans 13 1 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God. 2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation. 3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same: 4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil. In the OT we have seen a number of times where God gave very explicit instructions to kill. This is not a grey area, it is black and white. The law given to Moses stated thou shalt not kill, but there are scriptural references to lieing in wait for innocent blood which is indicative of premeditated murder. I will find the verses if necessary. I see a definite distinction between the two and as a result I do not see the above as a contradiction. If the law of the land dictated capital punishment for murder I believe that even in this age of grace Romans 13 would permit it. Henry, to say thou shalt not kill, period, precludes a number of things, i.e. defence of country, family, law enforcement officers protecting their own lives and the lives of others. Do you imply total pacifism under all circumstances? I have been under the unfortunate circumstances of witnessing more than one murder and have seen people put away for this heinous crime to be released and kill again, and yes a child on one occasion. Does Romans 13 apply if capital punishment were the law of the land? What say you? God bless us with His wisdom, John

To: Henry Volquardsen who wrote (20044)	8/7/1998 2:21:00 PM
From: IN_GOD_I_TRUST	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39621

Henry, With all due respect, read Genesis again. The commandment says 'Thou shalt not murder'. There's a very big difference between murder and killing. Also read through the OT where criminal justice is described. Eye for eye is clearly laid out. It's laid out not for behavior between individuals but for the criminal justice system for society. The Bible is completly consistant and hormonious. Bob

To: Henry Volquardsen who wrote (20044)	8/7/1998 4:28:00 PM
From: Sidney Reilly	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 39621

Henry, You are incorrect about the commandment, thou shalt not kill. The correct translation is thou shalt not murder. I think you must be morally bankrupt to just shrug off the desperate situation of the defenseless unborn and then in the same post you defend murderers. You said: <<The rapist of children does not go unpunished if society refrains from killing him. God will punish him.>> Society has to defend itself from these predators. Do you just think we should let everyone run wild and let God punish them in due time? Does the little girl deserve protection or not?? Do the unborn?? Authority is established by God to keep order and executing a murderer is in the scope of the law in God's eyes. What do you think about stoning to death homosexuals, adulterers and unruly children. That was also in the law of moses. So I don't think you can make a case that God doesn't want us to execute murderers. Bob