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To: Rambi who wrote (24291)	8/14/1998 12:50:00 PM
From: Jacques Chitte	Respond to of 108807

A woman can most decidedly eat too much garlic. Loving Spouse has proven it. For two days after, she emits an aroma which is not hers but not recognizably garlic either. It's like whole-body Morning Breath, and it can fill a Woolworth's. (anyway) >I thought about what you wrote (But I'm by no means convinced that things are worse now then they ever have been. Every age has its horrors.) and decided that what probably upsets me is that I want to believe we have progressed, gotten a little wiser. All civilizations have their corruptions, their prejudices, their cruelties. It's just discouraging to think we haven't gotten anywhere in all these years.< I wonder if the problem isn't the times, but an artifact of our growing up/old. I notice as I navigate the mountainous swells of the midpoint of my life - I'm much more aware of the subtle intrigues, agendas and just plain duplicity of the pillars of our society. Maybe all this "you scratch my back, I'll stab yours" is as old as sod huts. Just that as each of us spends more time as a student of history, we get to see the seams. Maybe we really are progressing, but our ever-sharpening discernment of evil is setting up an "optical illusion". A guy can hope.

To: Rambi who wrote (24291)	8/14/1998 7:41:00 PM
From: James R. Barrett	Respond to of 108807

>>"To what would you compare the inner city subculture historically? French Revolution? London in the 1800s? "<< How about Rwanda in the 1990s? Jim

To: Rambi who wrote (24291)	8/17/1998 3:41:00 AM
From: Dayuhan	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

Penni, <<To what would you compare the inner city subculture historically? French Revolution? London in the 1800s?>> London would make an interesting comparison, partly because it was so bloody grim and partly because England was, at the time, even more dominant an economic and military power than the US is today. I suspect inner cities throughout history have been pretty grim. I wouldn't want to judge the state of the planet solely by the inner cities, the Rwandas, etc. There are positive trends today that have never existed before - I remember discussing some in a post to George a little while back. Not that they will necessarily lead anywhere, but they could. Up to us, collectively, I suppose. On a much more important theme, I learned from the Rambi thread that you climb rocks. Used to do a bit of this myself, and I still write occasionally for a magazine that runs a lot of climbing stories. I don't climb anymore, though - put my outdoor energies mainly into trekking and kayaking. I gave it up before the artificial wall came into vogue, and I have to wonder, every time I see the young folks climbing them, if it doesn't miss the point a bit. I can see it as practice, but nowadays it seems to be becoming a sport unto itself, and I see some climbers that seldom or never touch real rock. Any thoughts? Reading that over, I realize that I'm starting to sound old, ranting about how these young folks jest don't git the old ways. I hear in Japan they have swimming pools with waves, to practice surfing, and I suppose artificial white-water courses are right around the corner. Though I'm sure this old fogey will keep dragging boats out to real rivers long after they've fallen out of fashion. So, since religion is getting old, should we debate the relative virtues of real rock vs. artificial walls? Would anyone else join? Did go with the Provencal, BTW, at the request of my 8 year old son, who is much enamored of that particular dish. (How do you make the computer put that little squiggle under the c?). And don't believe what they say about garlic. I've served it to women in mass quantities, and though my olfactory sense has occasionally been described (mostly by women) as occluded, I've never found anything to complain about afterwards. Steve