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Politics : Mr. President please step down for the good of the country -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: tsq who wrote (122)	8/20/1998 6:37:00 PM
From: Don Pueblo	Respond to of 190

tsq, with all due respect to you for your opinion, your question should really be: "How many of you have ever lied under oath?" I never have. I never will, I can promise you that. I'll bet you wouldn't do it either. The issue here, IMHO, is not who did what to whose body parts and when, and how many earlier times someone else did something like that to someone else, and "everybody does it so what is the big deal?". The issue here is very simple. Perjury is a felony. Felons cannot hold public office, by law. No, I'm not yapping because he is a Democrat. Yes, I am pre-judging, based on limited information. No, there is no publicly available concrete evidence yet. This is going to come down to the movement of some jewelry. Watch! Bill is in very, very big trouble, not because he couldn't keep his trousers buttoned; but because he lied about it to the wrong person, after he swore he would tell the truth.

To: tsq who wrote (122)	8/20/1998 7:27:00 PM
From: gmccon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 190

>> How many of you have NEVER done anything that could be considered questionable morality? << Questionable morality? Please, tsq, you talk like this was a "slip". This was as many as 37 acts of felatio over a seven month period of time that only stopped because the chief of staff had her transferred out as a "potential" embarrassment. You, sir, are not in touch with reality.

To: tsq who wrote (122)	8/20/1998 9:41:00 PM
From: Bill	Respond to of 190

<<How many of you can with a clear conscience say you have never made a mistake that you are truly ashamed of and sorry for?>> A mistake? A single mistake? Hellooooooo! Clinton received dozens of blow jobs in the Oval Office from this woman. This was his WAY OF LIFE for a year and a half. Get real. Ask yourself this. Does Clinton possess the judgment you want in a president?

To: tsq who wrote (122)	8/21/1998 1:02:00 AM
From: BubbaFred	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 190

You are missing the whole point. Slick Willie was doing it in the government quarters, not in his living quarters. That makes a big difference. If that is appropriate and acceptable, then I assume you have done such action in public - say in the bus, or in your office, etc? I am a registered Democrat and I am totally embarrassed of this Slick Slimy Willie Wonka Prez. Anyone out there who is proud to have this kind of a person for Prez?, the one who is suppose to lead by example and conduct himself accordingly? And don't forget that he LIED!!! He did not just change policy or change opinion. That was an all outright LIE!!! If he doesn't resign, he will be the laughing stock at the next Speech of the Union address. There is no credibility left in him. He is washed up and MUST RESIGN or BE IMPEACHED!!!!!

To: tsq who wrote (122)	8/21/1998 1:22:00 AM
From: MoneyMade	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 190

Is this Monica's war? Those terrorist camps have been there for years!! Sir, I must remind you of a little thing called Vietnam, I suggest you read up on it.. A Liar-in-Chief Is Nothing New Clinton's not the first, or the most damaging At 11:36 p.m. on the night of Aug. 6, 1964, President Lyndon Johnson went on national television and told the American people that U.S. troops had been the target of "unprovoked attacks." North Vietnamese patrol boats in the Gulf of Tonkin, Johnson said, had twice fired at U.S. Navy ships sailing in international waters, first on Aug. 4, and then on Aug. 6. LBJ announced immediate and "limited" air strikes against North Vietnam, and at the same time assured us he would "seek no wider war." The President was lying. Even as he spoke, Johnson knew that U.S. Navy SEALs and South Vietnamese troops had been involved for months in covert attacks and sabotage against North Vietnam. He knew because he had authorized the covert campaign. He also knew that two Navy ships backing up that operation had been caught by the North Vietnamese inside their coastal waters Aug. 4. At the time, the U.S. was not at war with North Vietnam. A few days later, Robert McNamara, Johnson's secretary of defense, lied to Congress when he spoke in favor of the Gulf of Tonkin resolution authorizing further military actions against North Vietnam. The resolution passed overwhelmingly. It became the closest thing we ever got to a declaration of war for Vietnam. A vote based on lies gave us a war that killed 55,000 Americans and more than a million Vietnamese. On Nov. 13, 1986, at the beginning of the Iran-Contra scandal, President Ronald Reagan spoke on national television. In spite of "false stories about arms for hostages and alleged ransom payments," Reagan said, "we did not - repeat, did not - trade weapons or anything else for hostages, nor will we." Another liar. Reagan's tall tale, which he maintained for months, helped delay the Iran-Contra investigation and covered up outright crimes by his top aides - Bill Casey, Caspar Weinberger, Ollie North and others. Crimes like selling guns to terrorists in Iran and diverting the money to the CIA-created Contra guerrillas in Nicaragua. I will not bore you with Richard Nixon. Presidents are no different from other politicians. They have been known to lie - some of them regularly - to protect their hides and their policies. So let's stop all this nonsense about President Clinton betraying the public trust. Just as athletes are not hired to set a fine example for the youth who idolize them, politicians are not elected for their moral rectitude. Both are hired to do a job. If they do that job well, their contract gets renewed. Their tawdry or kinky sex habits are their own business. For guidance on moral behavior, we have priests and parents. The main difference between Clinton and some of his predecessors is that his lies haven't killed anybody - at least not yet. Measured against Johnson, Reagan and Nixon, his Lewinsky lies are so inconsequential that pursuing them with an army of investigators is a farce that has made us the laughingstock of the world. The American people keep telling this to my colleagues in the media. They keep saying it to Kenneth Starr, this hit man masquerading as an "independent" prosecutor. But Starr refuses to give up. A four-year investigation of Clinton and his wife began with land deals in Arkansas, jumped to Vince Foster's suicide, then to the firing of workers at the White House travel office, then to Hillary's legal bills at her old firm, then to FBI background files. Having found nothing to charge the President or his wife with after all those years and millions of dollars, Starr resorts to this low-life eight-month probe of some tawdry, clearly reprehensible but consensual sex acts between Clinton and a young woman. He snared them in understandable attempts to hide their private lives from the rest of the world. Starr has turned into a poster boy for how federal prosecutors and grand juries in this country are out of control, says Gerald Lefcourt, past president of the National Association of Criminal Defense Attorneys. As for Clinton, I have never liked or trusted him, but this attempt to overthrow his election under the guise of a criminal investigation has to stop. It is Starr who must go. Bill and his lies are for Hillary and Chelsea to punish. Original Publication Date: 08/20/1998