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To: Paul Berliner who wrote (5748)8/21/1998 2:44:00 PM
From: Bosco  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 9980
 
Dear Paul - 1st, a disclaimer. Since you and Lawrence have a discussion going, I am not here to meddle. However, fyi, I spoke to a few HK residents - all property owners - as recent as last week. While they acknowledge the economic downturn, they are not in as sad a shape as some economic pundits have portrayed. Sure, there are casualties - and even wipeouts. However, there are also conservative investors who have been hogging cash for quite sometime. Like savvy investors in this country [certainly I am not one of those <g>,] they are just bidding their time. As I ve said many times before, the nature of HK economy is quite different from that of say Thailand or Indonesia [or even Singapore, as you have used in your comparison.] Property values, while it was driven too high due to speculation, has a real demand-supply dynamic to it. To me, HK RE is liken to NYC of the early 90s. By limiting its growth [thus holding back the supply,] the demand will catch up [maybe at a lower price level.] Again, to use the RE market of this country as an analogy, those who have had the deep pockets in the 90s to buy into NY, Boston, LA, SF then, they would have made out fabulously now. Also, while HKMA may have intervened in the market and the govt has tried to lessen the blow by repricing some of the leases etc, it is still a fairly ruthless capitalistic market in motion, so there is little fear about HK becoming another Japan.

Btw, I ve read a little bit about Hanke. It is indeed an interesting puzzle for him to advise Indonesia on using currency board. Personally, I think Indoesnia is a basket case unless its corruption has receded to a respectable level [while I don't follow that country too closely, I'd imagine the Surharto family still has a hand in the country's financial market.]

best, Bosco



To: Paul Berliner who wrote (5748)8/21/1998 7:52:00 PM
From: Stitch  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 9980
 
Paul;

<<I can't contend with a Philippines resident, but they've had a 4 year bear market and a painful recession.... I can't be the only one who has read articles on their ongoing debacle....anyone out there?>>

Couldn't dispute that the Philippine economy has had its share of problems but I am a bit doubtful that it was a leading indicator of Asian problems. Most of the articles I have read now have a tone of "we should have recognized that" with regards to Thailand, Indonesia, and Malaysia. If anything I would go back a bit further to China's devaluation of the Yuan and the early signs of recession in Japan. In any case, like any broad decline there were many factors that built up stress points throught the finacial structures of Asia. What I find incredible is the level of denial that still seems to plague the systems here.

Best,
Stitch



To: Paul Berliner who wrote (5748)8/24/1998 11:47:00 PM
From: Dayuhan  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 9980
 
Paul,

I hate to flog this excessively, but:

<<they've had a 4 year bear market and a painful recession....>>

Will you please look at the historical data at:

localweb.neda.gov.ph
national/national/national_accounts_constant85_a.sc

(sorry, the whole link won't post)

and explain to me where the recession is?

PHISIX started slumping in Jan. 97, according to the last chart I saw, which antedates the Thai crisis and could have been considered an early indication of broader instability. That would have required real prescience, though - given the reputation of the Philippines as regional laggard, anybody could be forgiven for mistaking that for a local phenomenon.

If you can find a PHISIX chart showing a 4 year bear market, I'd love to see it.

Steve