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To: Bird who wrote (22927)	8/23/1998 1:49:00 AM
From: Secret_Agent_Man	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 50264

Bird, DGIV, does not "rely" on PSTN it works within the PSTN framework but, you should be fully aware that the Inter-Voice Gateways work for wireless, satellite, copper-wire, cable and fiber-optic transmission technology... Where are you going? nowhere... You obviously have absolutely no knowlege of the technology otherwise you would not make such an idiotic and ignorant statement. Don't you realize that DGIV is also an ISP! DUH.... you are just a bit slow.....my fine feathered friend...perhaps you should stop eating those droppings. Try some brain food, a primer on DGIV and IP-TELEPHONY.... r1

To: Bird who wrote (22927)	8/23/1998 1:59:00 AM
From: Dolfan	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 50264

Bird: More like dropping bird droppings on unfamiliar territory. You are really showing your ignorance big time. I work in the Networking Industry and the hottest topic today is VoIP. Every time I pick up a media Magazine the hottest topic is Ip Telephony! Why do you think all the mergers and acquisitions in the Telecommunications Industry are .happening..Answer Data/Voice convergence. Bay/Nortel (With bay having a stake in Netspeak) Cisco/Lightspeed If your not to shortsighted read this article. IP Telephony Market Set To Soar - F&S Report June 15, 1998: 2:23 p.m. ET MOUNTAIN VIEW, CALIFORNIA, U.S.A. (NB) -- By Sylvia Dennis, Newsbytes. A report out today from Frost & Sullivan (F&) suggests that the US voice telecommunications carriers' apparent complacency in the face of IP (Internet Protocol) telephony services may be misplaced. F&S' latest report from its ongoing "World Markets for IP Telephony Equipment and Services" program, suggests that the recent announcements of services from the likes of Bell Atlantic and Sprint "hint at the end of the pure voice network paradigm." The information technology (IT) research firm notes that service providers in the US, and eventually throughout the world, are furiously gearing up for voice and data convergence on their networks. F&S' report also notes that the introduction of IP gateways in 1996 will help fuel their desire for content bandwidth. The bottom line to this, the company says, is that the forecasted compound annual growth rate (CARG) in the market is 132 percent. By the end of 1997, the company notes, IP telephony traffic reached 6.3 million minutes per month. Forecasts, the company says, predict colossal growth for this market in the years to come. According to F&S, since 1997, the definition of a gateway has shifted from "standalone box" to "integrated functionality." Inotherwords, the research firm says, what used to be seen as a distinct network element is now a module for existing networking equipment. F&S says that, during 1997, the market also saw the introduction of commercial telephone-to-telephone services using IP telephony gateways. A market once considered just for start-up companies, it notes, "is quickly becoming a battle ground for companies such as Ascend, Cisco, Lucent, and Nortel." F&S' report notes that the introduction of commercial telephone-to- telephone services using IP gateways also came in 1997. The successful service providers, it says, will be those with comprehensive interconnection partnerships. As readers might expect, F&S says that IDT, Delta Three, and OzEmail Interline led the services market last year. Most of the commercial activity in 1997, the firm says, was generated by next generation telecommunication carriers, One interesting conclusion of the study is that the company notes that ISPs are being very slow to embrace the technology, even though other elements of the industry have been swift to fill the gap left. F&S says that companies such as VocalTec, Micom, Vienna Systems, and Clarent led the equipment market for 1997. This situation, the company predicts, will likely change in 1998 as new players enter the market, but also as new forms of gateways are introduced. Vendors with well developed sales channels and existing products, F&S says, are taking the IP telephony market by storm, placing enormous competition on smaller market players. F&S' Web site is at frost.com Mark: Bringing the Owls out to chase the pigeons!

To: Bird who wrote (22927)	8/23/1998 3:08:00 AM
From: Rick Jamison	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 50264

Bird, This maybe too much for you to comprehend all at once so, please make sure you rest in between. We don't want you to get a headache by thinking too much. Also, make sure there's an adult present while you read this article. I don't want to be liable if your head deflates while reading and understanding the technology and where it's headed. Future of Voice-Over-Internet Protocol (VoIP) Telephony Several factors will influence future developments in VoIP products and services. Currently, the most promising areas for VoIP are corporate intranets and commercial extranets. Their IP-based infrastructures enable operators to control who can -- and cannot -- use the network. Another influential element in the ongoing Internet-telephony evolution is the VoIP gateway. As these gateways evolve from PC-based platforms to robust embedded systems, each will be able to handle hundreds of simultaneous calls. Consequently, corporations will deploy large numbers of them in an effort to reduce the expenses associated with high-volume voice, fax, and videoconferencing traffic. The economics of placing all traffic -- data, voice, and video -- over an IP-based network will pull companies in this direction, simply because IP will act as a unifying agent, regardless of the underlying architecture (i.e., leased lines, frame relay, or ATM) of an organization's network. Commercial extranets, based on conservatively engineered IP networks, will deliver VoIP and FAXoIP services to the general public. By guaranteeing specific parameters, such as packet delay, packet jitter, and service interoperability, these extranets will ensure reliable network support for such applications. VoIP products and services transported via the public Internet will be niche markets that can tolerate the varying performance levels of that transport medium. Telecommunications carriers most likely will rely on the public Internet to provide telephone service between/among geographic locations that today are high-tariff areas. It is unlikely that the public Internet's performance characteristics will improve sufficiently within the next two years to stimulate significant growth in VoIP for that medium. However, the public Internet will be able to handle voice and video services quite reliably within the next three to five years, once two critical changes take place:an increase by several orders of magnitude in backbone bandwidth and access speeds, stemming from the deployment of IP/ATM/SONET and ISDN, cable modems, and xDSL technologies, respectively the "tiering" of the public Internet, in which users will be required to pay for the specific service levels they require. On the other hand, FAXoIP products and services via the public Internet will become economically viable more quickly than voice and video, primarily because the technical roadblocks are less challenging. Within two years, corporations will take their fax traffic off the PSTN and move it quickly to the public Internet and corporate Intranet, first through FAXoIP gateways and then via IP-capable fax machines. Standards for IP-based fax transmission will be in place by the end of this year. Throughout the remainder of this decade, videoconferencing (H.323) with data collaboration (T.120) will become the normal method of corporate communications, as network performance and interoperability increase and business organizations appreciate the economics of telecommuting. Soon, the video camera will be a computer hardware, for full-featured multimedia systems, as well as for the less-than-$500 network-computer appliances now starting to appear in the market. The latter in particular should stimulate the residential demand and bring VoIP services to the mass market-- including the roughly 60 percent of American households that still do not have a PC. Siemens Internet Telephony Tutorial

To: Bird who wrote (22927)	8/23/1998 9:29:00 AM
From: RocketMan	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 50264

El Pajaro wrote (on the LOCH thread) Evan wrote: >Cascara.Red flag warnings are out.97 >financials on the web page are in doubt. Evan, Please list your "Red flag warnings". I cannot find any recent information that is negative. Did you buy into LOCH again? I saw where you sold several days ago: Are you thinking of buying in again? If not, why are you posting negativity? Why is it you do not allow negativity on the LOCH thread? Are you worried about something?

To: Bird who wrote (22927)	8/23/1998 10:20:00 AM
From: RocketMan	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 50264

''On the one hand,'' said Blackwell, ''we have Aerodyne's solar powered systems, used primarily for water pumps and remote power stations. On the other hand, we have AgriTech establishing a 'new' 5,000-year-old cattle breed bred for the kind of extreme climate conditions that are causing others in the industry to suffer great losses.'' Let's see, this great company you are hyping makes water pumps and comes up with new breeds of cattle. A combination construction and biotech company, very fascinating. The synergism is fantastic, especially in the remote areas they are going into. Say, they would not by any chance be going into emerging markets? They wouldn't be trying to sell water pumps over in Asia would they? I hear their economy is down. Is that why their stock price has been declining over the last year, except for about three pump and dump periods? Gee, Bird, this is getting really intersting. What other companies are you invested in? I would like to check them out, see if I might be interested in diversifying.