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To: Len who wrote (272)	8/26/1998 10:49:00 AM
From: hal jordan	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1542

Len, Vidrine has years long history of ranting and raving against Jews, then when he is accused of anti-semitism, he tries to use reverse logic and shout unfair, that is what Jews always say. Yes, Vidrine does not hate Jews; he only hates their religion, his belief they control the media (look at his posts, he points out all the names he believes are Jewish), the banks, the worlds instititions, their responsibility for the moral decay of the U.S, his belief Israel is Nazism, all this and more. Of course Vidrine is not anti-semetic--can't everybody see that this man is just trying to liberate the world from the grasp of Judaism? What a crock of $hit this self-proclaimed zealot is. Thankfully he does not represent mainstream Christianity (or Christianity period for that matter). Can you imagine the everyday household of this lunatic? I truly feel sorry for any children involved to be exposed to the nightmares of the head fanatic and inquisitor. Children exposed to such environments filled with hatred for others start out life with a huge disadvantage. Hal

To: Len who wrote (272)	8/26/1998 5:18:00 PM
From: Emile Vidrine	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1542

"And, if your opposition is truly not based on hatred, why do we never see your opposition to Buddhism, Taoism, Islam, and others that are based upon their rejection and ridicule of Jesus .... "When you decide to equally dish out your littanies of criticisms to other religions not based upon their rejection and ridicule of Jesus, your credibility might not be so challenged" Len, everyone who has known me for some time knows that I oppose these antichrist religions just as vigorously as I oppose antichrist modern Judaism. Just for the record and to answer and satisfy your curiosity, here is a littany against Islam! There have been similar "littanies" of criticism against Buddhism, JWs, Mormons etc. Modern talmudic Judaism gets more attention because they are the strongest, the oldest and spiritual mother of all other antichristian efforts. You are making false judgments on incomplete information. Will you now acknowledge that I indeed do not possess hatred for the Jewish people but rather a strong opposition for racist Zionism and antichrist Judaism. I view the Jewish people as the greatest victims of this false political and pseudo-religious ideology. I'm glad you raised these questions so we could clear the air. ps--do you acknowledge the fact that Zionism and modern Israel are indeed racist and a form of Jewish Nazism? These following points are the key to the anonymous Chicken's opposition. Emile Message 5135588

To: Len who wrote (272)	8/26/1998 6:32:00 PM
From: Emile Vidrine	Respond to of 1542

"What you forget is that the Jews have been hated and mistreated since the time of Jesus, when they were blamed for his treatment." Hi Len, While it is clearly true that the Jewish people have frequently been abused and mistreated in the last 2000 years, I believe history records significant abuses by the Jews against other people in the last two thousand years. The real question is: why has this antagonism and hostility between the Synagogue and the Church survived for over l900 hundred years? I believe that some light might be shed by quotes taken from from a book by the former Rabbi Rachmiel Frydland's- When Being Jewish was a Crime In this book, the Rabbi gives an intimate description of the educational formation of young Jews in the yeshiva and Rabbinical schools. Although Rachmiel tries to maintain a loving, sensitive objective stance towards his Jewish people and the teachings of modern Judaism, he, because of his Christian love of truth, boldly exposes modern Judaism's Babylonian Talmudic foundation as well as the profound hatred and rejection of Jesus contained in the Babylonian Talmud. Rabbi Frydland's clearly demonstrates that the Talmud is the central literature used in the formation of young Rabbis. Do you consider former Rabbi Rachmiel Frydland antisemitic, obsessive or hateful in revealing these truths to Christian and Jewish people? I think it is love that makes him reveal the hatred of the Talmud, and not hate. Here are his own words: ----------------------------------- Ch 5, page 51: "In these early years I had few contacts of any sort with Christianity. At about this time I learned the stories Of jesus from the Jewish point of view. They are given in the infamous book of legens composed in the Middle ages and entitled Toledot Yeshu (The History of Jesus). Some of the material is already embodied in the Talmud: that Jesus was born an illegitimate child and He forced Mary His mother to admit it; how He learned sorcery in Egypt; how He made Himself fly up into the sky by sewing the ineffable name of Jehovah into the skin of his leg, but a famous rabbi did the same and brought Jesus down." Page 34 "The method of education in the yeshiva differed little from the previous schools, but we had longer hours of study..... The studies were now only talmudic. The teachers recited the lecture in the Mishna(the traditions) and the Gemara(the commentaries) the two parts of the Babylonian Talmud....We repeated and discussed the lecture after the teacher, and then we studied more of the Talmud by ourselves. Thus in the yeshiva, the Talmud reigned supreme. The Old Testament Bible could be used only for reference". P. 34,35 "I had not contacts with Christianity at all. On the way to school we passed a Roman Catholic church and a Russian Orthodox church, and we spat,, pronouncing the words found in deuteronomy 7:26, "thou shalt utterly dtest it, and thou shalt utterly abhor it; for it is a cursed thing." I said it halfheartedly because of my previous favorable contact with Christianity and because some questions were beginning to creep into my mind. Why should we say such horrible words? The people looked so pious, and they never bothered us. ? "As I continued studying the Talmud, I came to a passage that told of a cruel punishment for that Sinner of Israel, meaning Jesus. For one sin of deriding the rabbis, He was punished forever and ever with cruelty as to be "judged in boiling excrement." I did not like this story at all. Did it really mean what it said? did not I also have doubts about the rabbis' claims (talmudic claims) that their teachings were given to Moses on Mount Sinai? What then would my punishment be? It was many years before I dared to proclaim these doubts openly." ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Emile