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Politics : Clinton's Scandals: Is this corruption the worst ever? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: RJC2006 who wrote (3253)	8/26/1998 6:08:00 PM
From: j_b	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 13994

<<It is up to the Sudanese people as it is up to us to understand and react to what government does>> This is where I think the danger lies in your position. The Sudanese people may not have considered the acts in question to be terrorism. They may, however, consider the bombing to be terrorism. Or perhaps they considered our bombing of Iraq, or our support of Israel to be either direct or supported terrorism. If that's the case, they would be perfectly justified in supporting the bombing of American targets, since they would consider us a terrorist nation. There is no universally accepted definition of terrorism. If a country attacks us, we know who to respond against. What you have described is an appropriate response during a war. Can an individual or a non-aligned group wage a war? If so, do the same rules apply? Are we in any way guilty if the rest of the world doesn't agree that the Sudanese strike was justified? Just some thoughts.

To: RJC2006 who wrote (3253)	8/26/1998 6:10:00 PM
From: Doughboy	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 13994

<<Let us not forget that the history of the Holocaust has its roots in liberal ideology. The liberal ideas of Neville Chamberlain, that the world could be a better place through appeasement of a dictator.>> Bob, that is so patently offensive, I find it hard to believe that even you would stoop so low to say that. You cannot blame the holocaust on liberalism because of one spineless Englishman. Neville Chamberlain can be blamed for appeasing Hitler and for selling out Poland, but he and his ideology is not responsible for the gassing and murder of Jews done by the Germans. You must blame it at the source, and that is Hitler and the Nationalist/Nativist movement (Weimar Republic) that bore him. Or does it hit too close to home to realize the kind of nationalistic tripe you're selling on this thread sounds like it came straight out of Mein Kampf? Doughboy

To: RJC2006 who wrote (3253)	8/26/1998 6:14:00 PM
From: dd	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 13994

While I know that it is not condoned at this time, I believe that assassination of the terrorist leaders would be the cheapest and most efficient way to carry out our mission to slow down or stop these terrorist attacks. When you cut off a snake's head you destroy his effectiveness. When another snake is discovered, you cut off his head also. Eventually you are going to thin out the snake population. Of course I realize that all of this would make our leaders nervous because of a fear of personal retaliation, but I like the idea anyway. dd

To: RJC2006 who wrote (3253)	8/27/1998 9:07:00 AM
From: DJRoss	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 13994

Playing devils advocate here Bob, I would like to ask you a question. If as you say: "When they reject their responsibility and bad things come of it then no I don't feel sorry for them and I never will. Just remember, there is a price that you pay for apathy. That's what I tell people on election day." -is true, then if there exists a minority of Sudanese citizens that have taken as many actions as possible under the current government to excercise the rights that they have to denounce the support of terrorism. If this group of Sudanese citizens even take it upon themselves to declare their government wrong and try to rebel through legal means, would their lives also be cheap? Would their lives be of no consequence? How many of those working at that factory had any idea about what was going on. How many of them were living hand to mouth? It is not a high priority for a person to engage in the political scene of his/her country when they are desperately scraping for anything to stave off malnutrition of their children. It is easy for us to lean back in our swivelchairs and point a finger at some far off country accusing them of henious crimes against "American Humanity". While I do not sympathize in any way for terrorists of any kind, I have been able to be a bit more global in my thinking since I have lived outside of the US for quite a few years. You might argue that the Sudanese who really did not support terrorism who worked at the factory should have blown the whistle and moved on to another job. I used to work in a pizzaria that was run and owned by the mob. I didn't have a clue about this until I had left for another job. I found out quite by accident. Of course upon finding out my wife and I quit patroning the establishment. I don't think we would have cared as much if my sons belly was on the verge of bloating, and there were really no other prospects to help me provide for my family. Our priorities become very base in nature and we have no base to expand our thinking beyond the bounds of where the next meal is coming from. Being put in that situation whether by choice(meaning that we allow ourselves to become enslaved), or by circumstance, we have been born into an existing cycle becomes moot. We as Americans allow ourselves to be ignorant of many things around us as it is virtually impossible to be on the in of every development in our country. How many of us know about every situation going on in the department of the interior, or education,etc etc. Unless you have a team of literally hundreds of dedicated individuals who have the leisure of spending all of their time researching, it is just to big to deal with, so that everybody knows everything about everything. How much drug money in the US has been used to finance political campaigns? How many of the officers running were aware of any connection? Wouldn't it be nice for Columbia to suddenly become noble and take a severe stance on the war on drugs, and begin destroying everything in their own country that is drug related. And wouldn't Americans cheer the Columbians when they decide to drop bombs on several downtown Los Angeles warehouses that their intelligence have evidence of containing elements of cocaine production and a couple of methlabs related to the Cali Cartel of which they have determined to wipe off the face of the earth. Who cares if American citizens get killed in the blasts. Who cares if other surrounding businesses get blown up in the process, it serves them right since they by electing the government official who financed his or her campaign with drug money are just as culpable. Perspective: Two opposing sides are fighting in Nicaragua and El Salvador. The US picks sides and lends support to that side. We as a nation are convinced that we are supporting the noble cause, and that the other side is a deviant from what is right in the world(according to our values as Americans). We supply our side with weapons and money to keep a better war machine going to shut down the evil opponants. Opponants who are just as convinced of their "righteous" cause, see the damage and destruction the US has caused in their country and to their people(side). Thus the opposition leaders tell their followers that the US is a terrorist country that supports terrorists. Thus they say that they have a right to declare war on the US, and drop a couple of bombs on your town, because of reported terrorists domiciles in the area. Your wife is killed and you are left in a hospital bed to contemplate the situation. I see wartorn refugees almost everyday walking the streets in the towns and cities of Sweden, and I have talked to many of them as we share the common bond of being outsiders. Everyone of them has a story to tell. Iraqi Kurds who were killed by US air blasts, even though there only desire was to leave a country that despised them and to find a save haven away from the torture of Husseins regime. I understand your zeal in dealing a harsh blow to those who would commit terrorist acts on the US and its allies, but the picture you are receiving in the US is the US picture. You are putting your faith in the official reports that are coming out from the Pentagon and the White House, etc. While I am not saying that the Sudanese government is innocent of harboring known terrorists, or turning a blind eye on terrorist activities, I am saying that a more balanced approach to what is being submitted to us as citizens via the media may be warranted considering that the governments of the world have often taken measures in secret that they may have not been able to accomplish had they sought the support of the people. Dug