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To: IQBAL LATIF who wrote (19622)8/29/1998 11:40:00 AM
From: Nemer  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 50167
 
Greetings Cousin Ike :

This is a true story ----
and I know how well you love a story .......

Here in my home town there is an elderly gentleman of my acquaintance who was a good friend of my father.
And when I say he is elderly, that's what I mean, as he's well over 80 ------ but he is no fool, nor is he a genius.
Amongst the few left alive of my fathers friends, he is the sole one who knows nothing about the stock market.
If you recall, Cousin Ike, from our past conversations, my father and most of his friends were avid stock and bond traders, long before it became a popular thing to do.

My early memories of the domed ticker and the maroon leather chairs with a view of a gentleman on a rolling ladder posting prices on the BIG chalk board .... these are vivid in my mind, even today .....

But back to the story -----

I saw Frank today at the grocery store with his lady friend (his wife died a very few years ago) ....and he inquired about my family and we had a nice visit.
He asked if I was still operating in the old family tradition of trading in the stock market and how he understood that it had been doing poorly for the past few weeks.

and

now comes the rest of the story .....

Frank rarely buy and rarely sells stocks ......
but he said that he'd sold out 2 months ago or so and was getting ready to buy back in Monday morning ------
and I laughed and asked him if he was still doing what my dad and all his friends used to joke with him about doing .......
and he said that he was ------

Simply put, Frank uses the Dallas News FRONT PAGE as a market timer ...
2 months ago the DMN had a top part of the front page saying how good the market was and how it was at a new high and etc, etc ...
so HE SOLD OUT
Today the DMN had a top part of the front page saying how everyone had "ticker shock" -- a picture of a floor trader with his head in his hands ----- etc
so now it's time to buy ---------

we laughed and he admitted that as he had first bought stocks in 1936 that this strategy had paid in the past and it was a rare time that he'd been out of the market for more than a year OR had held for more than a couple of years ......

Hope you and the thread enjoyed my story .......
don't know if there is a moral there or not .......

Regards ---- Nemer


EDIT ----
LOL about the story you just put on the post in front of this one ....
I'd NOT read it when I typed this .....
and that's the truth ........
still LOL ...........



To: IQBAL LATIF who wrote (19622)8/30/1998 5:56:00 AM
From: IQBAL LATIF  Respond to of 50167
 
There's $30 billion in spreads between the market caps of closed-end fund and their net assets. How do you get a piece of this money?

Discount hunter

By Thomas Easton

ONE OF THE GREAT MYSTERIES of Wall Street is what determines the relationship between the liquidating value of a closed-end fund and its trading price on the stock exchange. Unravel this enigma and you can make a small fortune.

Alexander Zagoreos, a New York City-based partner of Lazard FrŠres & Co., devotes full time to this enigma, and performance numbers suggest that he has more of a clue than the average investor about what's going on. Zagoreos, 60, has been trading in and out of closed-end funds since 1984, via a limited partnership that has $257 million in it. Performance: 15% annually.

Zagoreos also manages the $163 million World Trust Fund, a closed-end fund of his own that owns nothing but shares of other closed-end funds. World Trust has a global portfolio of 51 closed-ends, 30 of them non-U.S.-traded funds. In the seven years that Zagoreos has been running the London-listed World Trust, it has delivered a compound annual 12%, more than two percentage points ahead of Morgan Stanley's benchmark EAFE Index and just a tad behind Morgan Stanley's Global Index, which has a vastly larger weighting in the U.S.

The pond that Lazard fishes in is enormous-1,100 funds with a combined $190 billion in net portfolio value. The combined market capitalization of these funds is only $160 billion. That leaves $30 billion of value to go after.

Some portion of that $30 billion spread is entirely rational: Owners of closed-end shares are a captive audience, forced to pay management fees to a portfolio manager who may not be doing a good job. Fees averaging 1.1% a year explain some of the 17% average discount on the closed-ends owned by World Trust. And let's not forget World Trust's own layer of costs, which run to 0.8% a year. That drag on returns may partly explain the 11% discount to net asset value at which World Trust trades.

But fees aren't everything, and they don't explain the investor moods that push discounts up and down. At the moment, Zagoreos says, the climate for buyers is good: Worldwide, the discounts among closed-end funds are the widest they've been in five years. But don't buy blindly, says Zagoreos. Look for a fund where it is reasonable to expect some narrowing of the discount over the next several years.

Sometimes, the discount vanishes: when a closed-end either dissolves, distributing its net assets to its shareholders, or becomes liquid in a less violent fashion by open-ending. In the latter case, the shareholders are given the same right to cash out at net asset value that all open-end funds offer.

In a halfway step to open-ending, the operator of a closed-end may use some of the fund's assets to buy in their own shares as a way of pushing up the share price and providing an exit ramp for disaffected holders. Share buybacks tend to shrink the discount but not eliminate it. Usually, the investment outfit operating a closed-end fund is not thrilled with the idea of opening it; if a lot of formerly captive customers head for the exit, the pool of assets on which the manager collects a percentage fee will suddenly shrink.

Playing closed-end funds.

Fund Discount Where traded
Fold
Emerging Germany 19% New York
Europe Fund 16 New York
Italy Fund 20 New York
Spain Fund 17 New York
Swiss Helvetia 21 New York
Hold
Aberdeen Emerging Asia 19 London
East Europe Development Fund 24 Dublin
Edinburgh New Tiger Trust 26 London
Greek Progress 19 Athens
Value Realization Trust 9 London
Source: Lazard FrSres.

As it happens, roughly 40 of the 51 closed-ends in the World Trust portfolio are either enmeshed in a restructuring or are being seriously pressed by outsiders to open-end or do some buybacks. This year alone four funds in the World Trust, all London registered, were forced open, and three more (one in London, the other two in New York) are scheduled to do so this year. The table above lists other World Trust holdings where prospects are good for an open-ending, in Zagoreos' view.

Here's one reason for an open-ending. A closed-end was created years ago to participate in an illiquid stock exchange, but that stock market has matured and no longer demands a closed-end structure as a vehicle for foreigners to invest through. Cases in point: the Italy Fund (20% discount) and the Swiss Helvetia Fund (21%). There's no certainty that either of these will go open, but at least the sponsors can't make as compelling a case as they used to for standing pat.

Zagoreos isn't just a trader. He is also willing to make long-term bets on closed-ends that really do have a reason for being, meaning they operate in very chancy, illiquid markets that are hard-pressed even to clear stock trades in an orderly fashion. We're talking about India, Latin America, Eastern Europe and even Russia.

Yes, Russia has cost Zagoreos 1% to 2% of the fund's net asset value in recent months, but he's planning to hang in there. At present prices, listed Russian stocks are worth maybe $28 billion-half the market cap of Greece, which has a much smaller economy.

If you do want to participate in a Third World market, look far and wide for the right fund. Luxembourg-listed First NIS Regional Fund, which invests in eastern Europe, trades at a 31% discount; the more accessible Templeton Russia Fund, which trades on the New York Stock Exchange, sells at a 39% premium. That's not unusual.

"Shop only in New York and you miss many of the best deals," Zagoreos says.

One caution. It can be a real tax headache to own a foreign-domiciled fund in a taxable account. Zagoreos recommends trying to hold these things in a self-directed IRA, 401(k) or the like.

Hey, what about the World Trust's own 11% discount? When is Zagoreos going to open-end the thing and deliver a nice little windfall to his shareholders? At 8% to 10%, he started buying back shares. It's a first step.