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To: mark silvers who wrote (20455)	8/31/1998 11:47:00 AM
From: IN_GOD_I_TRUST	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39621

Mark (from Steve), Your own quotes, "However, I believe that it is up to me to atone for my sins..." " by our ability to let him accept and absolve us of our sins, as we are by our ability to accept and give love fully and freely, and to live with compassion for and tolerance of the condition of our fellow man." I (meaning you), is the key point in your statements. You are relying on yourself to be OK. You have made yourself equal to God using the position you do. You are deciding whats right and wrong, "I believe is up to me" and "IMO, I dont think we are measured by God". Well Mark, when you meet the one true God one day, as we all will, if you tell him you relied on yourself rather than him .... Well enough said....... God Bless You To See The Truth, Steve

To: mark silvers who wrote (20455)	8/31/1998 1:33:00 PM
From: John S.	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 39621

Good day to you Mark, On your comments to Steve regarding personal atonement for sin and in the balance being far less a sinner than one who has been trying to live life ethically. I also once thought as you do now. I believed that God would weigh my good deeds against my bad ones and hopefully I would be spared from any judgment. I learned from scripture that this is not the case, that it has to be God's way and not my own. Please look at the following scriptures for comparison. James 2 vs 10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. (backed up in the old testament as follows) Deuteronomy 27 vs 26 Curseth be he that confirmeth not all the words of this law to do them... Galatians 2 16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified. (backed up in OT by Psalm 143:1-2) "Hear my prayer, O Lord, give ear to my supplications: in thy faithfulness answer me, and in thy righteousness. And enter not into judgment with thy servant: for in thy sight shall no man living be justified." Ephesians 2 8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. Psalm 14 2 The Lord looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, and seek God. 3 They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: there is none that doeth good, no, not one. Isaiah 64 6 But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away. If we rely upon our own righteousness we are without hope. God will not allow sin in His presence and it is only through the shed blood of Christ that we can be made righteous because He offered up His life for us. He paid the price for our sin, taking our punishment and offering us a free gift of salvation. You can't work for it, you can't earn it or give anything in exchange for your soul because only God is perfect and He paid the price. How can we offer anything up that is more perfect than what He did? We will as you stated always sin at some point. Only Christ was sinless, that is why His sacrifice for us is the perfect offering and nothing, but nothing we do or offer can ever match that. "But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us." Romans 5:8 In friendship and prayer for you, John

To: mark silvers who wrote (20455)	8/31/1998 3:42:00 PM
From: Emile Vidrine	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39621

Mark, If we admit that we have sinned, then we must admit that we have sinned against a Creator God that has given us a universal sense of sin through our consciences. This indicates that man intuitively recgonizes that he owes his Creator full and 100% obedience. As you said, we all know that we have sinned and come short of the full glory of God that our consciences nudges us towards. Once we have sinned against God and our consciences are polluted, how do we ever repay God for the past sins. Since we owe God full obedience, even if we live a perfect sinless life from today to our deaths, we still owe God for the sins we committed before we stopped sinning. We owe him a 100% everyday so how will we ever catch up. We are in a hopeless situation of never being able to repay God for our broken fellowship because of our past sins. This is why God sent Jesus to die for the sins of all mankind. Man is hopelessly under the condemnation of his disobedience and their is no hope out escept through Jesus's atoning sacrifice. Emile