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Gold/Mining/Energy : International Precious Metals (IPMCF) -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?


To: Paunch who wrote (34024)9/7/1998 12:13:00 AM
From: d:oug  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 35569
 
Paunch, to me its ok to reply to a post if I feel that the information
given has a single purpose to damage IPM with lies or half truths.
If I can counter this with facts, then I will, but I will not reply
to the person that posted the garbage, but either to one of my last
posts, or to another threader that I respect asking for their opinion
on certain facts. And this other SI member does not have to hold or
even ever brought ipmcf shares. We all know the names of those that
post on this thread that do not hold ipmcf shares and some have come
to a conclusion that IPM may have been and may still be a scam. This
we can deal with and judge the facts they present as information that
may be useful. For myself I have a list of names that I will not post
to, or do a reply to, and for an example I give Bill Jackson. I have
no problem talking about this person. Sometimes Bill will give out
good useful stuff, sometimes garbage, sometimes be polite, but the
bottom line for me is that he will engage in the crap type talk Richard
identified as having a purpose to lower moral and discourage other
posters from reading and posting on this thread.
There are many posters that have a low regard for IPM, past and
present, and I look forward to their posts here, and enjoy any reply
I can give to them. For example thall, knight and Zeev may come on
strong in the "worry" or "concerned" or "I have/will told you so",
but they do not engage in that back and forth game to foul up this
ipmcf thread.
Those others I will not reply or post to will continue to contact
each other thru the Private posts and plan out the next attach on
this thread. Its all very well planned out by them ahead of time,
not only how they will interact with themselves, but also how to
bait some of us so the other can set the hook.
There are ipmcf shareholders out there that have not pledged their
shares simply because they don't read this thread and gave up on IPM
months ago. If they did look in all they see at a glance is fighting
among posters and junk talk. If the 10% is not gotten, then Bill and
those few others will toast each other as a victory.
posters like Jackson have accomplishedwhat they set out to do,
in that to make this ipmcf thread a place that has garbage and
sewer waste mixed in with the posts trying to understand IPM.
Eventho getting the 10% share pledges would bring another hard
and maby dangeous battle to fight, the process we all just
went thru has showned us as not easy prey. Plus I still think whatever the outcome will be, it will be better than that we
would have gotten by just waiting like sheep for a slaughter.
By the way, I was wrong in thinking Bill as not a sicko.
All the sickos will continue to post the garbage, as they are
probably now communicating via Private posts as to what to do
next on this ipmcf thread. Nothing we can do to stop or prevent
them. But if none of us post or reply to any of them, then maby
we can gather a log of what they say to each other, and with the
simple fact that none hold ipmcf shares, show this to SI as a way
to point out that they post here only in a destructive manner.
And I want to repeat what I have said before. Even if they post
in a polite manner, or ask good questions, or give good info, it
is done only to let them back into the flow of exchanges with the
ones not posting or replying to them. Simple a con, or call it a
sucker punch.
Doug



To: Paunch who wrote (34024)9/7/1998 8:21:00 PM
From: d:oug  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 35569
 
Paunch & Chuck & Robert, a question on that 10% vote pledge issue.
If we need 10%, and thats 2 million of 20 million, and there are
holders of ipmcf stock that have been contacted, but have decided
not to support the activity, then I have a concern about questions.
(1) Is Dale Runyon of Maxam a big, as in million, ipmcf shareholder.
(2) Any employees or directors of IPM hold ipmcf shares.
It is none of my business if any of the above hold ipmcf shares,
as it is also none of my business what decisions they make,
about the share pledge activity, if they do hold ipmcf shares.
But, if holding shares in IPM is a matter of public record,
then I do want to know the answers to 1 and 2, above.
Eventho the decisions made by any in 1 and 2 above, are not for
me to be a party to, I do want to know if these people have been
contacted in 1 and 2, and if so, the outcome.
I do want to know the names in 1 and 2 above, if any hold ipmcf,
and have decided not to pledge their shares. My desire to obtain
this information is not to ostracize anyone, as if I am the holder
of the truth, but to identify the possibility of wrong doing in any
possible future criminal investigation into the collape of IPM.
We the current shareholders, that have pledged our ipmcf shares,
have not accepted the story that has been presented to us by those
that do not hold ipmcf shares, but have a mission to help us see the
truth, that being that thee are no precious metals in the Black Rock
dirt, and thus this has simply been a scam to obtain ivestors money
being speculated into plain worthless desert dirt. But we know using
simple logic and common sence, that yes the investment money from the
current ipmcf share pledging investors has been lost, and some has
been lost thru legal ways, and some thru criminal activity.
Now, I need answers to above 1 and 2 so that my next guessing and
speculating can be determined as having or not having merit.
What I say next is simple "seems like" that becomes a "what if",
and the conclusion I then make is based on facts that I do not
have yet, but may support, and maby in the near future an criminal
investigation will support or not.
WARNING and NOTE, the following is unsupported facts.
IF, and I say IF again because I don't know for sure, but do remember
seeing in a post recently, that I have not verified as correct, that
Mr. Dale Runyon of Maxam, a desert dirt precious metals company, holds
about one million shares of ipmcf, and has decided not to pledge his
shares to the activity on this thread. Now it looks as if the number
of 10% is not there to force current IPM management to call a type of
meeting where they have to disclose information that they are currently
hiding from the shareholders thru the wall of silence. So, if true
that Dale Runyon of Maxam does hold a million shares, then ofcourse
his pledge puts us way over the 10%. So I ask myself the question,
if this is true, then why not. And I have to explore the concept of
the dark forces mentioned here, sometimes in zest and sometime not.
Lets say that the dark forces are really behind the IPM collapse.
I have outlined this in many past posts on this thread. Now lets
say the dark forces do not want information inside IPM to be made
public thru the 10% share pledge. So, for example, focus on the
maby if true million Dale Runyon of Maxam holds. How to keep this
man from pledging his million when for all knowned common sence reasons
its money that can be lost unless one tries to save it ?
But, at this time no pledge of the million. So what reason ?
Maby Dale Runyon of Maxam decided to protect a director of IPM
that he has as a good friend, and this moe important than money lost.
But something, to me, funny is happening with the Maxam company,
which I am a current shareholder of 5,000 mxam shares. Remember the
history of IPM, where it seemed like bad luck and mixed up and
poor management and over and over things just continued to drag IPM
into a mess, and thusly the stock share price falls. Guess what has
recently been happening to the Maxam Company in the last weeks.
Yep, you guess it, these types of things. Crasy, no? Gee, almost
as if the dark force left IPM as a done deal dead, and now on to the
next desert dirt SCAM. We all know Maxam is not a scam, but gee, the
stock price is near IPM's and falling. Looks like might be, no?
So here is the "what if" I said I would do.
What if Dale Runyon WAS to pledge his million ipmcf, but in the dark
of the raining night, from the gloomy clouds dropped this silence and
black as indian ink, hellocopper, and off it these men in black suits
told Dale Runyon of Maxam, "...we will IPM your company, but hold off
on its total collapse, and just let it hang by a thread. Now just so
you don't pledge you ipmcf shares, then when IPM bites the desert dust,
then we will take away the IPM'ing type stuff and let Maxam recover."
So, I need the answers to 1 and 2 above.
Especially to 1 for the Maxam connection.
Doug