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Politics : Clinton's Scandals: Is this corruption the worst ever? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: jlallen who wrote (4156)	9/8/1998 6:11:00 PM
From: Who, me?	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 13994

Starr report expected 'this week or next'; new criticism from WASHINGTON (AP) - The independent counsel's report on President Clinton should reach Congress ''this week or next,'' Senate Republican leader Trent Lott said Tuesday as anticipation rose on Capitol Hill. Democrats kept blistering Clinton with criticism as harsh as the Republicans'. Lott made his comments on the likely arrival of Kenneth Starr's investigative report after discussing the matter with House Speaker Newt Gingrich, who is to go over the logistics of possible hearings with Democratic leaders on Wednesday. Meanwhile, new criticism came from Democratic senators considered vulnerable in the fall elections. ''We're fed up,'' said Sen. Ernest ''Fritz'' Hollings of South Carolina. ''The behavior, the dishonesty of the president is unacceptable and we'll see with the report what course the Congress will take.'' Sen. Barbara Boxer, the California Democrat whose daughter married Hillary Rodham Clinton's younger brother at the White House in 1994, called the president's behavior ''wrong,'' ''indefensible'' and ''immoral'' in her most extensive comments on the Lewinsky matter since Clinton's Aug. 17 admission of an inappropriate relationship with the former intern. ''He should have taken responsibility earlier,'' she said on the Senate floor. However, she went on to praise Clinton's agenda and accomplishments. Senate Democratic leader Tom Daschle urged Clinton to elaborate on his recent apology, saying, ''I think that it's important that he continue to find appropriate forums in which to add to the comment that he's already made.'' Daschle, of South Dakota, commented after a meeting with fellow Democrats. Lott said Starr had opened no channel of communication with GOP leaders or advised them of the report's arrival time. ''We don't know for sure,'' he said. But a White House official and a senior House Democratic aide - both of whom asked not to be named - said they, too, expected the report by the end of next week. What happens after the report arrives is murky. House Republican leaders are still discussing procedural issues, including how much subpoena and other authority the House should grant the Judiciary Committee if senior members decide enough evidence of impeachable offenses exists for a full-blown inquiry. House leaders also returned from their summer recess to a series of bipartisan meetings Wednesday on how much of Starr's report to make public. ''There is some feeling that, look, it's going to get out anyway,'' Lott told reporters. Daschle had some supportive words for the president, saying it ''would be helpful'' to grant the request from Clinton's lawyer, David Kendall, to review the report a week earlier than Congress. Clinton's attorneys are concerned Starr's report will be one-sided and include extensive conclusions and legal analysis instead of simply a listing of facts gathered in the seven-month investigation. ''Elemental fairness dictates that we be allowed to respond to any 'report' you send to the House simultaneously with its transmission,'' Kendall wrote Starr on Monday. Lott shrugged off the request, suggesting it was just a new attempt to delay action on Clinton's behavior. ''I wouldn't be surprised if they go to court to try to block it,'' Lott said. Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Orrin Hatch agreed. ''If I were Judge Starr, I would comply with the statute,'' which requires only that the independent counsel give the report to the House, Hatch said. ''Frankly he doesn't owe Mr. Kendall much,'' Hatch added, referring to White House delays in handing over documents for various investigations ''over the past few years.'' On the House side of the Capitol, tensions are mounting over how much of the report is to be made public and whether Democrats will have a say in the distribution and investigation of the evidence it contains. Gingrich and Minority Leader Richard Gephardt are scheduled to talk for the first time Wednesday about the logistics of a congressional investigation. Joining them will be Majority Leader Dick Armey, House Judiciary Committee Chairman Henry Hyde, who would head any inquiry into Clinton's conduct and John Conyers of Michigan, the panel's ranking Democrat. tampabayonline.net

To: jlallen who wrote (4156)	9/8/1998 6:20:00 PM
From: Doughboy	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 13994

JLA--I've tried to kill this discussion of Bush's affair because we're going round and round and getting nowhere. One last time: If you all recall, this whole thing began because I said that it would have been very easy to have filed some kind of lawsuit against Bush for abuse of office (e.g., using official trips as a way to bed Ms. Fitzgerald) or sexual harassment (filed by Fitzgerald) and then put Bush under oath and had him lie. If that is true (which is arguable) then Bush is morally no better than Clinton, he's just luckier. And then all the same arguments that you use against Clinton (my god, he lied point-blank to Stone Phillips and the American people; he sent his own son out to call it a lie when he knew it wasn't; etc.) are the same for him. Presidents lie for convenience and political expediency. Nixon, Reagan, Bush, Clinton. And they've all probably done it under oath too (remember Iran-Contra?). You guys are just as guilty as me at practicing moral relativism. Doughboy.