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To: Raymond James Norris who wrote (956)	9/9/1998 10:15:00 PM
From: IN_GOD_I_TRUST	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1542

Raymond, Let us pray that the truth brightly shine s through this time...... You said: "We just don't believe the Bible is entirely that message." By what authority to you pick and choose your parts? And Raymond, don't use it when proving your arguments. Its such a unreliable source, you know in your opinion a source where you can only hold some things true and not others. The book really is not a good source to you because it was tainted by man. Let's go to your perfect book, the one thats always right and 100% proven. You said: "I would never "knock" in the message sent by God to Jesus (Pbuh). Never. " You do by denying any one passage of the bible. Just one passage does it! Hey, like John 1:1! Remember it; Chapter John.1 1: In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. You said: "Muslims believe as the Jews believe. That man must "save" himself. It is our duty to follow the commandments as set forth by God. And if we obey his words and what he asks of us, only then can we achieve Paradise. There is no sense of "redemption through the blood of Jesus (Pbuh)." As you know, Jesus (Pbuh) never spoke of this concept. He never mentioned it. When asked about "salvation," Jesus (Pbuh) replied that all that man must do is Follow the Commandments. No mention of anything else.....Hmm....." Hey, Raymond, guess what, I disagree with you about the bible says. Nothing new there! But lets not go there again. We've been there over and over, and over again! Lets take your belief specifically. Where do you justify yourself that man must save himself? You said: "If you want to use stereotypes and insult Islam, that's fine with me. It only shows your level of confidence. You obviously believe everything you read. Our Mosque here in DC donated some food and clothing to Jewish people that were in need. But you don't care about that, do you??" Oh but I do! Now tell most of the Islamic world what your doing. You might not be a part of it for long after you tell them. So everything we here is a lie, but what you and your Mosque do should be a represenation of the whole Islamic world. Sorry, can't buy it! And if the rest of the world is wrong about what the Islamic world is doing to the Jews, prove it! By the way, on this topic, you remember this one, this oldie but goodie about current world events: Message 5624231 Peace Also Be Unto You! Steve

To: Raymond James Norris who wrote (956)	9/14/1998 10:40:00 PM
From: IN_GOD_I_TRUST	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1542

Raymond, I have prayed about out situation and have decided to continue our conversation. If you decide not too, I will understand. But you seemed that you still wanted to talk. So if you are still willing, I am too. I am really eager for you to explain your salvation plan clearly to me. You said, "Muslims believe as the Jews believe. That man must "save" himself. It is our duty to follow the commandments as set forth by God. And if we obey his words and what he asks of us, only then can we achieve Paradise. There is no sense of "redemption through the blood of Jesus (Pbuh)." As you know, Jesus (Pbuh) never spoke of this concept. He never mentioned it. When asked about "salvation," Jesus (Pbuh) replied that all that man must do is Follow the Commandments. No mention of anything else.....Hmm..... <i.Oh, and answer how a Jew is saved under Islam. The same as anyone: to come to the Straight Path of God. God has not made knowing which religion is the true one a difficult task. If He did so, then only smart people would go to heaven. Rather, it is the identification of the True path that is easy and the following of it that is hard. I can show you evidence in the Qur'an which easily shows it was not written by a man (many Miracles of things that 20th Century Scientists are only discovering today)." So, tell me the exact works I need to do in my life to go to heaven? Show me the True path as you mention. Be clear and precise, as it is important to know exactly what to do according to your faith. [Remember this, the Christian faith has a very easy path to heaven as you say. It is not a difficult task at all but a very simple one! The only thing you need to do is know you are a sinner, and accept Christ as you Lord and Saviour. Believe he lived, died and was resurrected for your sin! That's it! How much easier does it get?] God Bless, Steve PS- If you don't mind, I would like you to produce your post to me stating you were going on vacation. I'm curious why I didn't see it!