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To: Sam Ferguson who wrote (20741)9/14/1998 4:52:00 PM
From: Stan  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 39621
 
Sam,

Good question.

Hate (Greek -- misei, meaning #3): "of relative preference for one thing over another": In this case a family or friend's claim on a life over God's claim. You're certainly perceptive enough to see the conflict presented to family, friend and even self interest once the revelation of the truth occurs in one's life. If I understand your own assertions, I think you know this principle very well. I put to you the same: What if your son, daughter, wife, mother or father disputed your current assertions and begged you to rejoin them in their own claims of truth. Are we to believe that you would repudiate your own position simply for their sakes? Do you not rather prefer to follow your own star, regardless of anyone else's demand on you?

If we look at Jesus' early life, we find Him demonstrating this same "preferencing" after having been found in the temple at the age of twelve by his mother and step-father, Joseph. He says directly, " . . Do you not know that I must be about my Father's business?" He said this in the hearing of his step-father.

However, He went with them back to Nazareth and learned carpentry under the tutelage of Joseph for the next eighteen years or so. Finally at about the age of thirty, His Father authorizes Him to start His true mission, for he had been required to pioneer the leaving of family for the interests of the Kingdom of God. What He demanded of His disciples was no less than what He had done. He knew it must be this way. He knew very well the preference.

After He had begun the business of the Father, his refusal to go back home to go back to private life as a carpenter shows this same hatred -- the preferring less -- of his own home life. He had no malice toward them (meaning #1 of misei), for even at his death, he ensures the welfare of His mother to John. James, his brother became a believer and defender of faith in Him -- even though in John 7 it states that none of his brothers believed in Him at that time -- for he finally came to understand the truth about his step-brother.

As christians, we must make the appropriate preferences indicated in this form of the word hate -- misei. For instance, we are required to bless when we are cursed, pray for those who despitefully use us and other such things. Doing this requires the kind of death or hatred of self that the reborn nature within provides and the fleshly nature abhors. That old nature, the one we are all born with, would rather fight back, rail and curse the offender.

How appropriate then, such a thing should be said! Your own mentors would pretty much say the same thing if they were to speak to you. You are determined to follow their path to "the hating -- preferring less" of all other considerations. To pin all hope on the lead of Another in spiritual matters is the most serious decision anyone ever makes. Indeed he must count the cost. Do you agree?

Regards,

Stan




To: Sam Ferguson who wrote (20741)9/14/1998 8:58:00 PM
From: IN_GOD_I_TRUST  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 39621
 
HATE YOUR PARENTS?
(LUKE 14:26)

This is a hard saying in more senses than one: it is hard to accept and it is hard to reconcile with the general teaching of Jesus. The attitude it seems to recommend goes against the grain of nature, and it also goes against the law of love to one's neighbor which Jesus emphasized to a radical extent. If the meaning of "neighbor" must be extended so as to include one's enemy, it must not be restricted so as to exclude one's nearest and dearest.

What does it mean, then? It means that, just as property can come between us and the kingdom of God, so can family ties. The interests of God's kingdom must be paramount with the followers of Jesus, and everything else must take second place to them, even family ties. We tend to agree that there is something sordid about the attitude that gives priority to money-making over the nobler and more humane issues of life. But a proper care for one's family is one of those nobler and more humane issues. Jesus himself censured those theologians who argued that people who had vowed to give God a sum of money that they later discovered was needed to help their parents were not free to divert the money from the religious purposes to which it had been vowed in order to meet a parental need. This, he said, was a violation of the commandment to honor one's father and mother (Mk 7:9-13).

Nevertheless, a man or woman might be so bound up by family ties as to have no time or interest for matters of even greater moment, and there could be no matter of greater moment than the kingdom of God. The husband and father was normally the head of the household, and he might look on his family as an extension of his own personality to the point where love for his family was little more than an extended form of self-love. Jesus strongly deprecated such an inward-looking attitude and used the strongest terms to express his disapproval of it. If "hating" one's relatives is felt to be a shocking idea, it was meant to be shocking, to shock the hearers into a sense of the imperious demands of the kingdom of God. We know that in biblical idiom to hate can mean to love less. When, for example, regulations are laid down in the Old Testament law for a man who has two wives, "one beloved, and another hated" (Deut 21:15 KJV), it is not necessary to suppose that he positively hates the latter wife; all that need be meant is that he loves her less than the other and must be prevented from showing favoritism to the other's son when he allocates his property among his heirs. The RSV indicates that positive hatred is not intended by speaking of the one wife as "the loved" and the other as "the disliked," but the Hebrew word used is that which regularly means "hated," as in the KJV.

That "hating" in this saying of Jesus means loving less is shown by the parallel saying in Matthew 10:37: "Anyone who loves his father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves his son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me." In Matthew's Gospel these words are followed by the saying about taking up the cross and following Jesus; the implication of this sequence is that giving one's family second place to the kingdom of God is one way of taking up the cross.

We can perhaps understand more easily the action of those who choose a celibate life to devote themselves unreservedly to the service of God, those who, as Jesus said on another occasion, "have made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven" (Mt 19:12 RSV; see comment on Mt 19:12). But the saying with which we are at present concerned refers to those who are already married and have children, not to speak of dependent parents. That Jesus' followers included some who had dependents like these and had left them to follow him is plain from his own words: "No one who has left home or brothers or sisters or mother or father or children or fields for me and the gospel will fail to receive a hundred times as much in this present age . and in the age to come, eternal life" (Mk 10:29-30). Might this not involve the abandonment of natural responsibilities? Who, for example, looked after Peter's family when he took to the road as a disciple of Jesus? We are not told. Clearly his wife survived the experience, and her affections apparently survived it also, for twenty-five years later Peter was accustomed to take her along with him on his missionary journeys (1 Cor 9:5).

Later in the New Testament period, when family life was acknowledged as the norm for Christians, it is laid down that "if anyone does not provide for his relatives, and especially for his immediate family, he has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever" (1 Tim 5:8). There is no evidence in the Gospels that this conflicts with the teaching of Jesus. But this needed no emphasizing from him: it is natural for men and women to make what provision they can for their nearest and dearest. Jesus' emphasis lay rather on the necessity of treating the kingdom of God as nearer and dearer still. Because of the natural resistance on the part of his hearers to accepting this necessity with literal seriousness, he insisted on it in the most arresting and challenging language at his command.

Taken from Hard Sayings of the Bible - Parsons Technologies




To: Sam Ferguson who wrote (20741)9/14/1998 9:58:00 PM
From: IN_GOD_I_TRUST  Respond to of 39621
 
Luke 14:26 Commentaries

From John Gill's NT Notes

Ver. 26. If any man come to me, &c.] Not in a corporeal, but in a spiritual way; nor barely to hear him preach; but so come, as that he believes in him, applies to him for grace, pardon, righteousness, life, and salvation; professes to be his, submits to his ordinances, and desires to be a disciple of his;

and hate not his father and mother, and wife and children, and brethren and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple: not that proper hatred of any, or all of these, is enjoined by Christ; for this would be contrary to the laws of God, to the first principles of nature, to all humanity, to the light of nature, to reason and divine revelation: but that these are not to be preferred to Christ, or loved more than he, as it is explained in #Mt 10:37 yea, these are to be neglected and forsaken, and turned from with indignation and resentment, when they stand in the way of the honour and interest of Christ, and dissuade from his service: such who would be accounted the disciples of Christ, should be ready to part with their dearest relations and friends, with the greatest enjoyment of life, and with life itself, when Christ calls for it; or otherwise they are not worthy to be called his disciples. The Ethiopic version inserts, "his house", into the account.

From Wesley's Notes

26. If any man come to me, and hate not his father-Comparatively to Christ: yea, so as actually to renounce his field, oxen, wife, all things, and act as if he hated them, when they stand in competition with him. # Mt 10:37.

From Schofield's Notes

[1] {hate}

All terms which define the emotions or affections are comparative. Natural affection is to be, as compared with the believer's devotedness to Christ, as if it were hate. See
# Mt 12:47-50
where Christ illustrates this principle in His own person. But in the Lord the natural affections are sanctified and lifted to the level of the divine love (cf)
# Joh 19:26,27 Eph 5:25-28

From Robertsons NT Word Pictures

{Hateth not} (\ou misei\). An old and very strong verb
\mise“\, to hate, detest. The orientals use strong language where cooler spirits would speak of preference or indifference. But even so Jesus does not here mean that one must hate his father or mother of necessity or as such, for #Mt 15:4 proves the opposite. It is only where the element of choice comes in (cf. #Mt 6:24) as it sometimes does, when father or mother opposes Christ. Then one must not hesitate. The language here is more sharply put than in #Mt 10:37. The \ou\ here coalesces with the verb \misei\ in this conditional clause of the first class determined as fulfilled. It is the language of exaggerated contrast, it is true, but it must not be watered down till the point is gone. In mentioning "and wife" Jesus has really made a comment on the excuse given in verse #20 (I married a wife and so I am not able to come). {And his own life also} (\eti te kai tˆn psuchˆn heautou\). Note \te kai\, both--and. "The \te\ (B L) binds all the particulars into one bundle of _renuncianda_" (Bruce). Note this same triple group of conjunctions (\eti te kai\) in #Ac 21:28, "And moreover also," "even going as far as his own life." Martyrdom should be an ever-present possibility to the Christian, not to be courted, but not to be shunned. Love for Christ takes precedence "over even the elemental instinct of self-preservation" (Ragg).

From The Fourfold Gospel

# Lu 14:26
If any [man] cometh to me, and hateth not his father, etc. "Hateth," as used here, is an example of phenomenal speech, or speaking from appearances. In the cases supposed, the person would APPEAR to hate those whom he abandoned for Christ. It is like repent, anger, etc., when spoken of God. To construe the passage literally as enjoining hatred would be contrary to the fifth commandment as re-enacted at
# Eph 6:1-3 Col 3:20
and also contrary to our Lord's own example.
# Joh 19:25-27
Seeing the number of those adherents which now surrounded him, Jesus made use of this striking statement that he might startle each hearer, and impress upon him the wide difference between a mere outward appearance upon him and a real, disciple-like adhesion to him. The latter requires that we be ready to
sacrifice all, even our animal life, in so far as it tends to separate from Christ.
# Ac 20:24 Ro 12:11
(McGarvey TFG 397-498)

From People's NT Notes

#Lu 14:26,27

If any [man] come to me. See notes on #Mt 10:37,38.
Hate not his father. In just the same sense that he hates "his own life also". That is, these must all be given up, turned away from, if we have to choose between them and Christ.

From Geneva Notes

14:26 If any [man] come to me, and {d} hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.

(d) If anything stands between God and him, as Theophylact says: and therefore these words are spoken in a comparative way, and not by themselves.