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To: Chris land who wrote (1070)	9/15/1998 6:19:00 PM
From: Raymond James Norris	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1542

Completely different. God was asking Moses about his whereabouts, not what his title was. Moses replied, "Here am I". Now Chris, we can't have 2 standards here. The context which all three (God, Jesus (Pbuh), and Moses (Pbuh)) use the title is totally different. God answered Moses (Pbuh) with the title. Jesus (Pbuh) never answered anyone with the title. In Exodus 3:14, God says, "I am what I am." Jesus (Pbuh) does not use the phrase "Ho On" and it is therefore clear he was not quoting God. Had he been, he should have used the same title. If you ever meet a Greek Christian with a Greek Bible and ask him about the verses in question, he'll look at you and say, "there's no claim of divinity," because there isn't! It only appears that way because of the way translators have inappropriately translated the verses. They intentionally use the same title to give people a sense that Jesus (Pbuh) quoted God, but when we examine the evidence, it's clear this is not so. The translated word is "Eimi", which means "to have existence or being". In other words he was existing before Abraham had been born. The people knew what he meant but because of a lack of faith decided to stone Him. Ok, let's assume you're right and Jesus (Pbuh) said he was alive before Abraham (Pbuh). Is that sufficient evidence to claim divinity? In the OT, we find other people who lived with God prior to coming to earth. So if Jesus (Pbuh) must be God because he was alive before he came to earth, then everyone else who did the same must also be God. Are you willing to concede this? Peace be unto You, Norris