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Politics : Clinton's Scandals: Is this corruption the worst ever? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?


To: Diane who wrote (6122)9/17/1998 2:14:00 AM
From: cool  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 13994
 
Hyde continues to perjure himself, just yesterday "it was a youthful indiscretion" He was 41. A married man with 4 children. He is lying to himself and trying to convince us. He committed perjury to his wife and children and you defend him----not much different than Bill.

Hydes problem "Its ancient history" --Whitewater isn't?

The point is that, few if, any congressmen can stand up to the scrutiny that Clinton has. Future candidates
better be saints, have empty closets, or have taken real good care of their skeletons.



To: Diane who wrote (6122)9/17/1998 2:59:00 AM
From: jayray  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 13994
 
HENRY HYDE, THE MAN WHO WILL SIT IN JUDGMENT ON PRESIDENT CLINTON, CONFIRMS THAT HE CARRIED ON A SECRET AFFAIR.

Salon Newsreal
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"This hypocrite broke up my family"

BY DAVID TALBOT | Fred Snodgrass, a 76-year-old Florida retiree, says he gets so upset when he watches Rep. Henry Hyde on TV that "I nearly jump out of my chair." Hyde, the Illinois Republican who heads the House Judiciary Committee, is on television often these days. Hyde's committee will decide whether the adulterous affair President Clinton carried on with a White House intern, and his efforts to keep it hidden, should be referred to the House of Representatives for impeachment proceedings. "I watched [Hyde] on TV the other night," said Snodgrass. "These politicians were going on about how he should have been on the Supreme Court, what a great man he is, how we're lucky to have him in Congress in charge of the impeachment case. And all I can think of is here is this man, this hypocrite who broke up my family."

Snodgrass says Hyde carried on a five-year sexual relationship with his then-wife, Cherie, that shattered his family. Hyde admitted to Salon Wednesday that he had been involved with Cherie Snodgrass, and that the relationship ended after Hyde's wife found out about it. At the time of the affair, which lasted from 1965 to 1969, Fred Snodgrass was a furniture salesman in Chicago, and his wife was a beauty stylist. They had three small children, two girls and a boy. Hyde, then 41 years old, was a lawyer and rising star in Republican state politics. In 1966, he was elected for the first time to the Illinois House. Hyde was married and the father of four sons. (His wife, Jeanne Hyde, died of breast cancer in 1992, after a 45-year marriage.)

Snodgrass' ex-wife, who is now remarried and living in Texas, declined to speak to Salon. But through one of her grown daughters, she confirmed that she had engaged in a long-term affair with Hyde.

"My mother originally didn't want me to say anything to the press," said her daughter. "But she's just so fed up with [Hyde], with how two-faced he is. She knows she wasn't his first [mistress] and she wasn't his last. She hates his anti-abortion stuff, and all the family values stuff. She thinks he's bad for the country, he's too powerful and he's hypocritical."

Hyde released the following statement to Salon Wednesday: "The statute of limitations has long since passed on my youthful indiscretions (Hyde was 41). Suffice it to say Cherie Snodgrass and I were good friends a long, long time ago. After Mr. Snodgrass confronted my wife, the friendship ended (after 5 years) and my marriage remained intact. The only purpose for this being dredged up now is an obvious attempt to intimidate me and it won't work. I intend to fulfill my constitutional duty and deal judiciously with the serious felony allegations presented to Congress in the Starr report."



To: Diane who wrote (6122)9/17/1998 3:24:00 AM
From: jayray  Respond to of 13994
 
Salon Newsreal
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Lives of the Republicans, Part Two

The strange case of Helen Chenoweth, Idaho's two-term Republican representative from the conservative rural state's northern district, shows that playing the sex card against the Democrats as a political strategy can be, in Idaho parlance, as "dumb as a mud fence."

BY DAVID NEIWERT

She may have committed adultery and lied about it, just like President Clinton. But Helen Chenoweth has one up on the president, so far -- she says she's had a chat with the Lord, and he says it's OK.

"I've asked for God's forgiveness, and I've received it," she reports.

Whether Idaho voters will forgive her is another matter. The two-term Republican representative from the conservative rural state's northern district has always made a big deal about morality -- after all, she was first elected over the back of a Democratic incumbent who stumbled when he admitted (in an increasingly familiar-sounding scenario) to a one-time sexual relationship with a former co-worker after earlier denials.

Chenoweth's own vulnerability in the sexual arena came to light when she decided to go on the attack over Clinton's troubles in the Lewinsky affair. A longtime champion of "family values" (only one of a wide range of right-wing causes she's associated herself with over the years, including support for the militia movement), she ran a series of ads that sought to link her opponent, a Democrat named Dan Williams, to Clinton.

"Our founding fathers knew that political leaders' personal conduct must be held to the highest standards," intoned Chenoweth in the first ad. "President Clinton's behavior has severely damaged his ability to lead our nation, and the free world.

"To restore honor in public office, and the trust of the American people, we must affirm that personal conduct does count, and integrity matters. Where do you stand, Dan?"

A couple of veteran political reporters from Boise's Gannett-owned Idaho Statesman, who like nearly everyone else who worked the state's political beat had heard rumors of several Chenoweth affairs, decided it was time to ask her about one in particular: a longtime sexual relationship with an associate named Vernon Ravenscroft. Chenoweth confessed.

She admitted that she had carried on a six-year illicit romance with Ravenscroft, now 78, a rancher from Tuttle who is something of a right-wing legend in his own right: Ravenscroft was the architect of the "Sagebrush Rebellion," a 1980s anti-federal land-use movement popular in Western states like Idaho and Nevada. Chenoweth and Ravenscroft had the affair in the 1980s, when she worked for his natural-resources consulting firm. .....................................

The revelation, arriving at a moment when Clinton's troubles were hitting a feverish pitch on the television networks, suddenly propelled Chenoweth onto the evening broadcasts -- most of which featured quick hits of her confession as a seriocomic leavening to the day's gloom. Chenoweth quickly ducked from view and continues to refuse to grant further interviews, issuing only a few terse press releases with her official position on the matter.

The day following her confession, she was hit with another barrage: Turns out she actually had denied the affair when questioned about it in 1995. When the Spokane (Wash.) Spokesman-Review's Ken Olsen had asked her about the Ravenscroft affair in an interview, she had acted offended and aghast at the mere suggestion.

"For heaven's sakes, that is low," Chenoweth reportedly sputtered. "That is so bizarre. I'm utterly speechless. My official answer would have to be, this indicates a measure of desperation. When they can't debate the issues, they turn to character assassination ... People who know me, know better than that. People who know Mr. Ravenscroft and his fine family know better." ...........

Chenoweth's problems may have just begun. Rumors had swirled around her for years linking her romantically not just with Ravenscroft, but with a bevy of Republican figures. These ranged from a former attorney general to her former boss, retired U.S. Sen. Steve Symms. Chenoweth had been Symms' chief of staff in 1977-78, when he held the same seat in Congress she now occupies, and the rumors had begun circulating then. They continued through all the years prior to her sudden 1994 ascension aboard the anti-Clinton wave that swept the GOP to majorityhood. Since then, they've quieted down considerably.

Chenoweth had been the beneficiary of the same gentility that spared her old boss. Symms, too, had gained something of a sexual legend over his eight years in the House that grew larger once he was in the Senate; it was widely known among reporters that he was a big-time D.C. party animal and could be seen most evenings in the company of a woman other than his wife, Fran. She in fact was a kind, sweet woman who suffered terribly from arthritis and couldn't socialize much. Most of the state's political reporters knew about the situation but figured it was no one's business unless Symms made it an issue. However, when Fran finally had enough and divorced him, the emergent details of his philandering -- and the ensuing shelled-out poll numbers -- persuaded him to not pursue reelection in 1992.

Likewise, the tales were ripe surrounding Chenoweth. And the breadth of the rumors, most of them related to her term as a lobbyist for the timber industry, is impressive. One veteran political reporter told Salon: "On Thursday (the day Chenoweth made her confession), there were a lot of nervous legislators down at the Statehouse." As one GOP political operative in northern Idaho once told a reporter in an unguarded moment: "Helen is living proof that you can fuck your brains out." (Chenoweth is widely considered, in Idaho parlance, dumb as a mud fence.) ...................

Chenoweth changed the landscape by striking what is now a familiar Republican pose: outraged moralist shaking her finger at the naughty Democrats. To her regret, she discovered that making your private morality a story by questioning the president's is a really bad campaign idea. The ads that provoked the Statesman reporters promptly disappeared. Asked if they -- or any further references to Clinton's morality -- are likely to reappear in the campaign, Chenoweth spokesman Chad Hyslop replied tersely: "Probably not."

Several observers of the Idaho political scene say that Chenoweth, who has looked unbeatable up until now and whose seat was considered locked up for the GOP, could prove to be vulnerable if Williams delivers a good campaign this time around. ...................

Whether that is Chenoweth's fate will depend somewhat on the strength of the opposition building against her back home for the bold hypocrisy of her now-buried attack ads. Harriett Ravenscroft, the wife she wronged, was among the many who were steamed by the ads. She voiced what probably crossed many voters' minds when she told the Statesman: "I don't see how Helen can live with herself and do this."

Luckily, Chenoweth at least has gotten God's forgiveness. Clinton, with his new coterie of spiritual advisors, can hardly be far behind.
SALON | Sept. 16, 1998

David Neiwert, a former political reporter and editor in Idaho and Montana, is now a freelance writer in Seattle. His book "In God's Country: The Patriot Movement and the Pacific Northwest" will be published this spring.



To: Diane who wrote (6122)9/17/1998 11:00:00 AM
From: Doughboy  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 13994
 
[Hyde] said something about him being young and dumb at the time.

Hyde is pulling a Clinton, not only did he issue a non-admission admission by calling it a "friendship" and a "youthful indiscretion" (which is especially laughable; he was 41 years old and an Illinois State Senator), but he also attacks his accusers, threatening to charge them with obstruction of justice. This is the hypocrisy of the GOP that is at the root of this entire proceeding--they accuse Clinton of being a slimeball, but they use all the same tactics when they're on the receiving end.

Doughboy