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To: j g cordes who wrote (3406)	9/17/1998 1:30:00 PM
From: j_b	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 67261

<< I'd like to know how many people are dishonest when they feel they can get away with it>> If you had asked how many people would lie under oath and participate in a cover up, if they thought they could get away with it, I would probably agree somewhat to the relevance. You would probably get the same answer, too. However, we are not public officials and we do not live in goldfish bowls. We would probably consider the liklihood of getting caught to be much higher than does the President, and would therefore be less likely to commit the crime. Another way to look at this - let's assume this lying behavior is typical of a large portion of Americans. Is that okay? Shouldn't we be doing everything we can to change that? Isn't the leadership (I include Congress here)of this country a good place to start? If we continue to accept this sort of behavior, I don't believe we will be living in a free nation 25 years from now.

To: j g cordes who wrote (3406)	9/17/1998 3:35:00 PM
From: Lizzie Tudor	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 67261

Time Magazine recently ran an article on honesty asking how many regularly "white lie" in day to day business dealings. An amazing 95% said they lied at least a little. Yes I would like to know what constitutes a white lie in business. If you paint it with a broad brush, you could easily make a case that 100% of people lie in business dealings. For example, in a sales situation of a software implementation, virtually every consulting house lies about how much time and expense will really be required to implement the product (Sap, psft whatever). Cost and time overruns are rampant, not because this takes the mgmt by surprise, but because most of these things were underbid in the first place. Well is this lying or not on the part of the people inside the companes who do it? If not, what is? The next level in this business would be lying (exaggerating) the accomplishments of the $200/hr consultants that are pitched to the site... and so on. My point is, white lies are hard to define. We cant expect everyone to be absolutely truthful about everything business doesnt work that way. And if you say that some lying is ok in this context and others are not, the definition of that line is impossible to define. Best to avoid the subject altogether and lay off the moral policing. Michelle

To: j g cordes who wrote (3406)	9/17/1998 4:16:00 PM
From: lazarre	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 67261

You gotta LOL. Tom DeLay, the Repub whip---and I paraphrase---says in regards to articles and accusations about Hyde and other Repubs adultry: " its the workings of a sick mind and sleazy operations..." Hahahahahahahahahahaaaaaahhhahhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!

To: j g cordes who wrote (3406)	9/17/1998 4:34:00 PM
From: Johannes Pilch	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 67261

>It would be interesting to know what the "regular" person actually does with truth telling. < I would imagine the regular person tells the truth when it does not threaten to cause harm, especially to himself, and lies when he thinks it expedient. >Is it practical or absolute?< This is the Great Question, now isn't it? There was a time when a man's word meant more to him than it does today. This is not to say everything was perfect then, but clearly honesty was held in higher regard when compared with how it is held today. >How great is the average person's distance between the complete truth and what people actually say and do?< As great as the average person thinks it has to be. >And what about promises?< To be broken if necessary. >What about shading truth so as to not cause greater harm?< I would imagine the average person considers this the noble lie. If a man once cheats on his wife, with no desire to ever do so again, should he tell her the truth? It is a horrid position in which to be, for on the one hand the man does not want to cause the terrible anguish to his wife that would surely result were she to know the truth, and on the other he has forever broken his solemn vow to her. It is impossible to repair a vow, once broken. So then in every intimacy he shares with his wife, every action symbolic of utter faithfulness, vulnerability and trust, he will be lying once again. (I'm interested in opinions here. I personally lean toward telling the truth, groveling for forgiveness, literally making another marriage vow, and living such a way that my sincerest repentance would be obvious. But I would understand how one might think it best to go on living the charade of an unbroken vow.) Brrrrr. It just seems to me best to avoid lying at all cost because every lie is an attack against another human being-- no adultery, no stealing, even "sampling" at the grocery store or copying software or videos or music tapes or CDs or anything of the sort, no calling in sick and then going fishing, no hooky, no Easter bunnies, chimney hopping Santa Clauses, or Great Pumpkins, no nothing <g>-- tell the truth period, and sleep well at night.