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To: Raymond James Norris who wrote (1122)	9/19/1998 9:02:00 PM
From: IN_GOD_I_TRUST	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1542

Raymond, Ok! Let me understand this........ When I am born, according to the Islamic faith, I am destined for heaven. Now I live, I follow or choose not to follow the Islamic plan. Is that what decides if I go to heaven or not? What happens if no one tells me about the plan and I don't execute it? Steve

To: Raymond James Norris who wrote (1122)	9/19/1998 10:48:00 PM
From: IN_GOD_I_TRUST	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1542

Raymond, You said, "I've lived my entire life in the United States and not once have I ever been approached by a missionary. Not once. All the people I interact with from day to day are Christians and all are aware that I'm a Muslim, and yet none of them explains to me the plan of salvation. That must mean that there are no missionaries. Is that correct logic? Of course. It's flawed, but it's the same type of reasoning you're doing. Other Muslims have an obligation to explain to you what they believe. From what you've said: They mention the Qu'ran and Muhammed, they've done their part." Raymond, lets get this straight. I never said there were no Islamic missionaries. I asked you if there were any? I said I never met one. I did not mean to or imply just because I never met one there was none. This was just my personal observation, along with others I have spoken too. That's all! And I have spoken to many Muslims so its not a lack of Muslim exposure, believe me, as you inferred! And again I ask the thread if they have been exposed to the Islamic or Christian faith more.... Obviously there is going to be varying experiences. But I'm trying to get a general feeling about the question. You are in a "so called" Christian country. But I'm afraid that there might be a lot more people in this country that call themselves Christian that are truly not, then real "Christians". I don't really know how Christian this country is nowadays. So don't trust all Christians as true Christians. It would be a flawed assumption. The false church is prophecied about often the New Testament as is fulfilled prophecy. And Raymond, I must disgree when you say some one tells me about Muhammed and the Qu'ran and they have done their part. Just because I know about a man named Muhammed or Christ and a book called the Qu'ran or the Bible, I still no nothing. I need an explanation behind them. And I need to know why I need to know! For example something like this: Message 4992922 And if someone does not give me an explanation behind them, they have fallen short. What tells me I need to learn about them and read their words unless someone develops a desire in me to want to explore them, like the desire to go to heaven or hell? I personally was told people of the Islamic faith believed in a guy named Muhammed and his words in the Qu'ran. But again I was never told to read it to find out how to go to heaven or please God. That was never stressed. I thought these things were guidelines how to live. That's all! That's what I was told. But I never knew it had anything in them to satisfy the salvation requirements of God. You were the first one to tell me of the meaning of the Qu'ran and Muhammed, and how it relates to salvation. That's a fact for me that could not be changed....... God Bless, Steve