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To: Math Junkie who wrote (8090)	9/22/1998 10:47:00 PM
From: Kirk ©	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 42834

Actually, I am on record as not a Clinton lover and yet I agree with your conclusion. I went public with my first impressions yesterday in this post suite101.com Contrary to what Dipy and others think, thinking people can hear evidence and arrive at reasonable conclusions. Maybe this will be just the backfire we need to get the "Religious Right" out of our bedrooms, private lives and election halls? regards Kirk

To: Math Junkie who wrote (8090)	9/23/1998 12:42:00 AM
From: Jeffrey D	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 42834

Richard, well if you won't listen to me or the rest of the "vast right wing conspiracy", maybe you will listen to Jimmy Carter. Perhaps he's old and senile? Perhaps he was infected with a Starr bug? What does he see through the "Starr filter" {your words} that you don't? Hmm, he even condemns the Sudan raid. Jeff <<09/23 00:16 Jimmy Carter says Clinton has "not been truthful" (Adds comments on damage to presidency and Sudan raid) By June Preston ATLANTA, Sept 22 (Reuters) - Former U.S. President Jimmy Carter said on Tuesday he believed President Bill Clinton had "not been truthful" to a grand jury over his affair with a White House intern. "As one of the very few leaders who have served in the White House, I have deplored and been deeply embarrassed by what has occurred there," Carter told Emory University students in his first public comment on Clinton's affair with Monica Lewinsky. Carter, like Clinton a Democrat, had maintained a strict silence on the Clinton scandal until Tuesday night. He said he had read only excerpts of special prosecutor Kenneth Starr's report to Congress and seen only excerpts of Clinton's testimony to a federal grand jury investigating, among other things, whether Clinton lied about the Lewinsky affair in a deposition given in the Paula Jones sexual harassment case. "My own opinion is that the president has not been truthful in the deposition given in the Paula Jones case or in the interrogation by the grand jury," Carter said. Clinton's video-taped grand jury testimony was released by Congress and broadcast on television on Monday. Carter, who left the White House in 1981, said he believed Clinton would likely be the first president since Andrew Johnson in 1868 to be impeached by the U.S. House of Representatives. But he added that he believed Clinton, like Johnson, would survive trial before the Senate. "My own belief, not based on any inside information, is that the House Judiciary Committee will recommend to the entire House of Representatives that impeachment proceedings be held, that a hearing be held, and because of the highly partisan alignment within the House of Representatives and because Republicans have a majority, I think it is likely -- more than a 50-50 chance -- that the House will vote impeachment," Carter said. He told students that impeachment, which requires a simple majority in the House, was a form of indictment that did not automatically mean removal from office. Carter said he did not believe the Senate, which serves as a jury in such proceedings, would have the necessary two-thirds vote to remove Clinton from office. "My prediction is that the Senate will not marshal a two-thirds vote," Carter said, adding the presidency had nonetheless been damaged "by his (Clinton's) embarrassing circumstance." "I would say a lot of damage has been done, but not in any case fatal or permanent damage," Carter said. "The majority of people in the United States, when polled, do not want President Clinton removed from office," he said. "Even though he will be damaged in his moral reputation and perhaps in his influence with the Congress and maybe with the American people, our nation will survive." Carter's criticism was the second time in less than a week that he has broken ranks with the White House. Last Thursday he urged an investigation into whether a Sudanese factory wrecked by U.S. missiles last month was making ingredients for chemical weapons, as the White House charged when the Khartoum plant was wrecked by missiles in retaliation for bomb attacks on U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania. Carter on Tuesday night repeated his call for an investigation into the factory and warned the White House that military attacks were not the best way to fight terrorism. "We are responsible, in many ways, to help reduce terrorism. (But) I don't think the best way is to make direct military attacks, which in the process can kill innocent people, which arouses more support for the terrorists," Carter said. "Sometimes, we might be mistaken." >>

To: Math Junkie who wrote (8090)	9/23/1998 11:33:00 AM
From: Diamond Jim	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 42834

"I no longer think he is a weasel, but is actually a relatively good man who was put in an impossible position." ++++++++ Did Monica have a gun? Exactly who put him in that position? Be thankful Linda Tripp did NOT take those tapes to the Iraqi embassy. If he'd go in front of a camera and LIE to our face, just think what he'd do behind our backs to keep that information from getting out. Maybe Iraq already has him in their palm, why doesn't he get tough with Iraq when they ignore the post war agreement? jim