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To: Mark Finger who wrote (12001)	10/1/1998 3:23:00 PM
From: Charles Hughes	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 14631

WAY WAY OFF TOPIC >>> Kansas state Which you admit did not have a PhD or Masters program. So you are at least technically wrong, yes? This when I searched the Kansas State web site: ( ksu.edu ) "No Matches for 'computer science' No Matches Quick search failed to locate 'computer science' in either the Office Directory or the Organization Directory." A scan of departments in the college in Arts and Sciences did not reveal any computer related department, nor was there even a computer club listed under campus organizations. ( ksu.edu ) Are you sure these were CS pioneers? >>> I do not know about MS/PhD, but the sure did have BS. Maybe you could refrain from moving the target in any case? >>> Obviously you have your very limited knowledge and world view. Well, I always admit to that one if I catch myself in time. :-) >>> I chose chem engineers because they are almost always in the top 3 This is notably different than what I challenged you on. Could you please refrain from moving the target? You have chosen a bad example here. I have chem experience, my brother runs a chem plant for BASF, used to run a research team for Dow, and my other siblings and in-laws are doctors, biochemists, geneticists. We know some chemistry, and we know what a rosy picture looks like. My brother is at the top of his field, has a PhD, has hundreds of employees, and yet many years in the past I made more money with programming. However, that picture is degrading with time. >>> Can you tell me what years starting salaries for CS graduates were higher than for ChE since 1965? I tempted to say whatever year you are finally reduced to producing some facts from a checkable source, I will do that analysis. You first, me bucko :-) Not that any of this sidetrack about chem engineers has anything to do with programmer salary trands as I stated them. That is your straw man and you must prop him up yourself. >>> As for your 30K example, you can find plenty of people now who can make 5 times that, I know you know how to adjust for dollars in a particular year, and the rates are widely available on the internet. So, you must just be stubborn. >>> the freedom to think "outside the box" that has generally been accepted in the US should give native born people an advantage I ridicule this notion, and I am appalled by your view of foreign persons. Immigrants are normally aggressive and intelligent people. That's why their parent countries complain about 'brain drain' into the US. But in any case you can't have it both ways. Please decide whether H1Bs are great because they are so much smarter and energetic, or whether they have problems thinking. Your response seems to be wandering away from the original mark. >>>By the way, apparently you are exactly my age. I believe that I have similar "experience from that time". No way, dude. Not if I took my classes starting in 1965 and was working full time in 1967, and you didn't even start school until 1968. That's way different. By 1972 or 1974 when you would have started working, the excitment in mainframes was all over. Minicomputers became the thing, UNIX and C came along. A new world. Also different were the best wage levels, which had taken their first step down by that time. I programmed at one point in hex machine code. That is a different experience, believe me. The folks that were five years before me had a much more primal experience than I did, and so forth back all the way to the forties. It wasn't until the early seventies that the consensus set in on how things were going to be done. Before that everything was still possible. Since then we've had only 3 major developments - personal computing, embedded and small devices, and the Internet. (IMHO.) >>> I hope you program better than you do statistical work. Geez, now I'm devastated :-) Actually programming statistics used to be my speciality. But you know the saying: Liars, damn liars, and statisticians... You could accuse me there, I think. Still, I would say that your need to throw out data points when they are inconvenient belies your discomfort with statistical rigor, not mine. Cheers, Chaz