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Politics : Did Slick Boink Monica? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Intrepid1 who wrote (19475)	10/4/1998 9:09:00 PM
From: jlallen	Respond to of 20981

Absolute rubbish. Ken Starr has obtained over a dozen convictions in the Whitewater and other investigations, including the sitting governor of Arkansas. Its not the affair Clinton will be impeached for, its perjury, obstruction, witness tampering and abuse of his office as well as his affirmative abuse of the public's trust. Lying to a Court and a GJ by the highest Executive Officer of the Government who has taken an oath to uphold and faithfully execute the Constitution and laws of the land is a VERY big deal. If you don't recognize that, I would suggest to you that you are the one with a problem with the truth. JLA

To: Intrepid1 who wrote (19475)	10/4/1998 9:13:00 PM
From: DD™	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 20981

PEROT PUBLICALLY EXPOSES CLINTON COCAINE-GATE SCANDAL From Drudge.. "This man [Clinton] has done more to lower the moral base of this country than any other person in history," declared former presidential candidate Ross Perot on C-SPAN's WASHINGTON JOURNAL Sunday morning. Perot challenged President Clinton to release his medical records. On national television, Perot raised the charge of drug use in the White House. "We know Bill Clinton has a history of drug use," Perot stated on national television. "The question is, when did he stop? Is he still taking them? He took something to make him act irresponsibly. There has been talk of cocaine. Either he is, or he isn't." Perot continue: "If it's not drugs, his brain is not working right. He should go under oath [about taking drugs.] Where if he lies, he faces an automatic 20 years in jail." Perot is calling for a march on Washington. A date of December 7 is a target... Developing. DD

To: Intrepid1 who wrote (19475)	10/5/1998 4:08:00 PM
From: Joe Btfsplk	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 20981

Clinton lied about an affair - Hardly a high crime or treason. Robert H. Bork: "Not one of the eleven items that Starr thinks are "substantial and credible information that [in the words of the Independent Counsel statute] may constitute grounds for an impeachment" depends upon sex. Five of the counts allege perjury by the President, five allege obstruction of justice, and the final count states that Mr. Clinton's actions have been "inconsistent with the President's constitutional duty to faithfully execute the laws." If any one of the first ten counts is borne out by the evidence, the eleventh is automatically true. Sex is not the gravamen of the report but merely the predicate for the cover- up allegations. If a man was charged with lying about a break-in and inducing others to lie, you might, if you were brainless, say the whole thing was just about a "third-rate burglary" and therefore not grounds for impeachment. To prove the charges of perjury and obstruction of justice, a prosecutor would have to prove the burglary, just as Starr, to prove his charges, had to establish the sex. The main facts requiring impeachment and removal from office are already indisputable. The President may dispute some of Starr's factual allegations, and these challenges will require hearings. I have no doubt that televised hearings will bear out all the charges, but hearings are really not necessary with respect to the first two charges: multiple perjuries in the Paula Jones case and again before the federal grand jury. The President has effectively conceded those crimes. ... In the light of the Starr Report's footnotes, calling what took place in the Oval Office "dalliance" falls just short of calling World War II a "dustup." The idea seems to be that perjury about sex is not as serious as perjury about other matters. That won't wash. Lying under oath strikes at the heart of our system of justice and the rule of law. It does not matter in the least what the perjury is about. The proceedings of a court or a grand jury take place because we have enacted laws that we want to see enforced, and we want them enforced on the basis of truth, not fiction. We do not say that we care about truth when the subject is murder or drug pushing but care very little when the subject is the sexual harassment of a subordinate or tampering with witnesses to hide adultery. That the amount of lying at trials is reaching epidemic proportions is a matter not for acceptance but for condemnation. ... Perjury by a President is infinitely more reprehensible than perjury by an ordinary citizen. It violates both the oath, prescribed by the Constitution ... and one of the central duties the Constitution places upon him in Article II, that "he shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed." Those are solemn promises, but if the President may with impunity exert his best efforts to see that the laws are not faithfully executed but are made nullities, then the words are nothing more than meaningless incantations. ... Repeated and deliberate lies told under oath, because they strike at the Constitution and the rule of law, are most certainly "injuries done immediately to the society itself." They are, within any intelligible meaning of the words, "high Crimes and Misdemeanors." If Bill Clinton is not impeached, convicted, and removed from office, that would be a greater injury done immediately to the society than his perjuries. ... Politicians who are anxiously scanning the polls need to be reminded that vox populi is not vox Dei. It is the politicians' job to lead. It is their duty, and ours, to be worthy of the Founders of the Republic. Not only the President and Congress but all Americans will come under the judgment of history for their actions in the days ahead. The only honorable course is to cleanse our tarnished ideals by removing this President from office."