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Politics : Clinton's Scandals: Is this corruption the worst ever? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Doughboy who wrote (7942)	10/6/1998 7:03:00 PM
From: Rick Slemmer	Respond to of 13994

[A]s I've said many times before, the vast majority of Starr's convictions in "Whitewater" don't relate to Whitewater at all. And as several of us have pointed out, Starr can only pursue leads that are approved by the three-judge panel or the attorney general's office. At every turn he has to provide some sort of evidence to justify further probing and expense. Sure, it all started with Whitewater, but apparently there was enough credible evidence to convince the panel or Reno's office that several expansions were warranted. "Whitewater" covers a lot of legal territory: Castle Grande, Madison Guarantee, an RTC investigation and Clinton's part in ignoring their recommendations that Madison be shut down, and whatever role the Rose Law Firm had in the machinations. It is a complex web of loans and mutual favors among a group of people who knew each other personally. The potential for conflicts of interest are obvious, and eventually Madison Guarantee failed, billing the taxpayers $60 million for the bailout. Sixty million dollars. Your dollars. My dollars. There's a nice overview on CNN's website at cnn.com Starr is apparently of the belief that anyone who may have dirt on the Clintons should be prosecuted by the OIC because it may eventually lead to them ratting out the President. A technique used by effective prosecutors everywhere, and only if the subjects are implicated somehow. It's not illegal. I don't think that's what the independent counsel act was intended for. You're probably right. But if a felon is ousted from the White House as a result, can you truly say the law was abused? If not, then why have the Act in the first place? FWIW: Some pundits say there is an outside chance that Whitewater will be reopened in view of the mysterious reappearance of Hillary's Rose Law Firm billing records in the White House residence. RS

To: Doughboy who wrote (7942)	10/6/1998 7:39:00 PM
From: Machaon	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 13994

Doug, every time one of these "loose canon" Clinton haters posts a note, the Republican Party loses votes towards the November election. I don't think that the mean tempered, nasty Republicans, on this thread, represent the core of the Republican Party, but one can't be too sure. I don't know about you, but it scares me, and it should scare the hell out of a lot of voters. More and more the Republican Party is getting the label as "mean spirited", and it seems to fit. The main question for November is: Will the silent majority show up at the voting booth, this November, to stop the Republicans from making this a one party, right wing, fundamentalist country? Regards, Bob

To: Doughboy who wrote (7942)	10/6/1998 8:00:00 PM
From: Catfish	Respond to of 13994

The Neal Boortz Show -- News Talk 750 WSB -- Atlanta Tuesday, October 6, 1998 HOUSE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE DELIBERATIONS Almost the entire day yesterday was taken up by an attempt from the Democrats to limit the scope of the impeachment inquiry. When that failed they tried to limit the time. This is no surprise. A moron could see what is going on here. If the Democrats succeed in limiting the scope of the inquiry to the Lewinsky matter they will be able to continue to walk before the television news cameras and proclaim that the entire thing is "all about sex!" The Democrats know that once the Committee and the House start dealing with filegate, bank fraud, the firing of the travel office staff, using federal agencies for political purposes and other little goodies, they may lose, and lose badly. At least, at that point, they won't be able to yell SEX! The Democrats also wanted to limit the time allotted for the investigation. Yeah, wouldn't that be nice! That way the Democrats would know just how long they have to obfuscate and delay in order to make sure nothing gets done. How many of you would support a move to limit the time your local police or district attorney had to investigate crimes? It should be noted that the Democrats didn't agree to a similar limitation of time in the Nixon impeachment hearings, nor did they agree to a limitation of time for the filing of their waves of ethics complaints against Newt Gingrich. LET'S FACT IT – IT'S A DEMOCRATIC ATTEMPT TO COVER UP Can it be considered any other way? The attempt by Democratic members of the Judiciary Committee to limit the scope of the investigation as well as the time allotted for the inquiry was simply an attempt to cover up on the many high crimes and misdemeanors committed by Bill Clinton. boortz.com

To: Doughboy who wrote (7942)	10/6/1998 8:58:00 PM
From: Who, me?	Respond to of 13994

#5 through 19 are Whitewater related! CLINTON CONVICTS LIST (4TH EDITION) Below is an updated list of Clinton-related friends, colleagues, associates, and related business entities, who have been convicted of crimes, updated through April 14, 1998. Forty names, and counting. The format of the list is that the names are allocated to the various investigative categories, with each individual/entity named and accompanied by a brief description of the relevant crime(s) and a source of the information. VARIOUS ARKANSAS: 1) Roger Clinton: Bill Clinton brother; drug trafficking conviction (Wall Street Journal "The Foster Test" January 14, 1994) 2) Dan Lasater: governor Bill Clinton contributor and state contractor: drug trafficking conviction (Wall Street Journal "The Foster Test" January 14, 1994) 3) Dan Harmon: Arkansas Seventh Judicial District prosecuting attorney and Bill Clinton friend and political ally: five federal racketeering, extortion, and drug distribution convictions (Wall Street Journal "Arkansas Justice" June 13, 1997) 4) Bill McCuen: Bill Clinton political ally: former Arkansas Secretary of State; bribery, tax evasion, kickbacks convictions (Wall Street Journal: Whitewater: "The Prosecution Rests" May 7, 1996) WHITEWATER: 5) Webster Hubbell: Bill Clinton friend and political ally; Hillary Clinton Rose Law Firm partner: embezzlement; fraud; two felony convictions (Wall Street Journal "Whither Whitewater?" October 18, 1995) 6) Jim Guy Tucker: fraud; three felony convictions (Wall Street Journal "Second-Term Stall" February 11, 1997; Associated Press "Tucker Pleads Guilty to Cable Fraud" February 20, 1998) 7) William J. Marks Sr.: Jim Guy Tucker business partner; one conspiracy conviction (Associated Press "Whitewater Defendant Pleads Guilty" August 28, 1997) 8) Jim McDougal: Bill and Hillary Clinton friend, banker, and political ally: eighteen felony convictions (Wall Street Journal "Immunize Hale" May 29, 1996) 9) Susan McDougal: Bill and Hillary Clinton friend; former wife of Jim McDougal: four felony convictions (Wall Street Journal "Immunize Hale" May 29, 1996) 10) David Hale: Bill and Hillary Clinton friend, banker, and political ally: two felony convictions of conspiracy and mail fraud (Wall Street Journal "The Arkansas Machine Strikes Back" March 19, 1996) 11) Chris Wade: Whitewater real estate broker; two felony convictions (Wall Street Journal "Hard Evidence From a Federal Investigator" August 10, 1995) 12) Stephen Smith: former Governor Clinton aide; one conviction (Wall Street Journal "Hard Evidence From a Federal Investigator" August 10, 1995) 13) Larry Kuca: Madison real estate agent; fraudulent loans (Wall Steet Journal "Hard Evidence From a Federal Investigator" August 10, 1995) 14) Robert Palmer: Madison appraiser; one conspiracy felony conviction (Wall Street Journal "Hale Predicts Hillary Conviction" October 21, 1996) 15) Neal Ainley: Perry County Bank president; embezzled bank funds for Clinton campaign; two misdemeanor convictions (Wall Street Journal "Arkansas Bank Shot" May 4, 1995) 16) John Latham: Madison Bank CEO; bank fraud conviction (Wall Street Journal "Smoke Without Fire" January 12, 1996) 17) John Haley: attorney for Jim Guy Tucker; misdemeanor guilty plea; tax fraud (Associated Press "Tucker Pleads Guilty to Cable Fraud" February 20, 1998) 18) Eugene Fitzhugh: Whitewater defendant, pleaded guilty to one misdemeanor count of trying to bribe David Hale; is appealing a ten month prison sentence (The Arkansas Democrat-Gazette, "Whitewater Defendants" February 22, 1998) 19) Charles Matthews: Whitewater defendant, pleaded guilty to two misdemeanor counts of bribery, served fourteen months of a sixteen month prison sentence (The Arkansas Democrat-Gazette, "Whitewater Defendants" February 22, 1998) ESPY: 20) Tyson Foods: guilty plea; $6 million federal court fines and investigative costs (Washington Post "Tyson Foods Admits Illegal Gifts to Espy" December 30, 1997) 21) Sun-Diamond Growers: $1.5 million fine for illegal campaign contributions to Espy's brother (Associated Press "A Look at Mike Espy Investigation" August 27, 1997) 22) Richard Douglas: former Sun-Diamond Growers official; several bribery convictions and guilty pleas(Washington Post "Tyson Foods Admits Illegal Gifts to Espy" December 30, 1997; Associated Press: "Lobbyist Pleads guilty in Espy Case" March 17, 1998) 23) James H. Lake: Sun-Diamond Growers lobbyist; three convictions regarding illegal campaign contributions to Espy's brother (Associated Press "A Look at Mike Espy Investigation" August 27, 1997) 24) Ron Blackley: Espy's chief of staff: financial fraud conviction; twenty-seven month prison sentence (Washington Post "Tyson Foods Admits Illegal Gifts to Espy" December 30, 1997; Associated Press: "Judge Sentences Espy Aide to Jail" March 18, 1998) 25) Smith Barney: improper payments to Espy; $1 million-plus fine (Associated Press: "A Look at Mike Espy Investigation" August 27, 1997) 26) Crop Growers Corporation: $2 million fine for money laundering to Henry Espy's campaign (Associated Press: "A Look at Mike Espy Investigation" August 27, 1997) 27) Brook Keith Mitchell Sr. (with his company Five M Farming Enterprises: four counts) for fraud (Associated Press: "A Look at Mike Espy Investigation" August 27, 1997) 28) Five M Farming Enterprises (with owner Brook Keith Mitchell: four counts) for fraud (Associated Press: "A Look at Mike Espy Investigation" August 27, 1997) 29) John J. Hemmingson, former head of Crop Growers Corporation: three counts relating to illegal campaign contributions to Henry Espy (Associated Press: "A Look at Mike Espy Investigation" August 27, 1997) 30) Alvarez T. Ferrouillet, Jr., Louisiana lawyer and Henry Espy campaign finance head: ten count conviction (Associated Press: "A Look at Mike Espy Investigation" August 27, 1997) 31) Municipal Healthcare Cooperative: Ferrouillet-related company; perjury, bank fraud, money laundering convictions (Washington Post: "Tyson Foods Admits Illegal Gifts to Espy" December 30, 1997) 32) Ferrouillet & Ferrouillet: Ferrouillet-related company; perjury, bank fraud, money laundering convictions (Washington Post: "Tyson Foods Admits Illegal Gifts to Espy" December 30, 1997) CAMPAIGN FINANCE: 33) Michael Brown (Ron Brown's son): money laundering; misdemeanor conviction (Los Angeles Times, "Ron Brown's Son Pleads Guilty to Illegal Donation" August 29, 1997) 34) Eugene Lum: Clinton/Gore campaign contributor and colleague; felony conviction; money laundering (Los Angeles Times, "First Fund-Raising Sentences Meted Out" September 10, 1997) 35) Nora Lum: Clinton/Gore campaign contributor and colleague; felony conviction; money laundering (Los Angeles Times, "First Fund-Raising Sentences Meted Out" September 10, 1997) 36) Johnny Chung: Clinton/Gore campaign contributor and colleague; many visits to Clinton White House and Oval Office with mainland Chinese associates; several illegal campaign contributions, money laundering, tax fraud, and bank fraud guilty pleas (Associated Press: "Democrat Fund-Raiser Pleads Guilty" March 17, 1998) 37) Roger Tamraz: Clinton/Gore campaign contributor and colleague; many visits to Clinton White House and Oval Office; fugitive from Lebanon embezzlement convictions; target of French government financial investigation; BCCI connections (The Wall Street Journal: "Integrity of the Institutions" March 20, 1997, et. al.) CISNEROS: 38) Linda Jones: Henry Cisneros mistress; conspiracy, bank fraud, money laundering, and obstruction of justice federal felony guilty pleas; sentenced to three and one-half years in prison (Associated Press: "Cisneros Ex-Mistress Sentenced" March 25, 1998) 39) Patsy Jo Wooten: Linda Jones sister; one conspiracy guilty plea (Associated Press: "Cisneros Ex-Mistress Sentenced" March 25, 1998) 40) Allen Wooten: Linda Jones brother-in-law; one conspiracy guilty plea (Associated Press: "Cisneros Ex-Mistress Sentenced" March 25, 1998)

To: Doughboy who wrote (7942)	10/6/1998 9:42:00 PM
From: Catfish	Respond to of 13994

Cal Thomas: 'Clinton Corrupted Secret Service, Too' LOS ANGELES TIMES SYNDICATE Tuesday, October 06, 1998 CAL THOMAS Washington - President Clinton is like a man with a bad cold - he tends to infect those with whom he comes in contact. The release of the latest batch of "supporting" documents transmitted to the House Judiciary Committee by independent counsel Kenneth Starr reveals how the president's lack-of-integrity virus infected one of our premier and most respected institutions - the U.S. Secret Service. Traditionally, the Secret Service has enjoyed the public's respect. Its image has been one of highly trained, dedicated, selfless men and women who are willing to stand between an assassin and a president. But testimony before a grand jury reveals that some agents either looked the other way or did and said things that helped the president avoid accountability for the way he behaved with Monica Lewinsky and possibly other women. Officer Brent James Chinery testified that he and his colleagues believe the president had sexual trysts in the White House with at least six women, whose names have been stricken from the printed testimony. Another agent, Sgt. Keith Williams, said he embellished a supposed threat by the president to fire another agent who had told Monica Lewinsky she would have to wait at a White House gate because Clinton was meeting with Eleanor Mondale. This infuriated Lewinsky because she believed the president was two-timing her. She telephoned the president's secretary, Betty Currie. Currie then called Williams and demanded an explanation from officers at the gate. Williams testified he told the officers that the president "wants somebody fired." Williams admitted he had not seen or spoken to the president, but that he made up the story "to get these guys to start talking . . . ." Williams said he concocted a story that Lewinsky had seen Mondale and that's what set Monica off. He hoped the story would placate Currie, which it apparently did. But before he told it to her, he testified that he and another officer, Capt. Geoffrey Purdie, checked computer records showing when Mondale entered the gate to make sure the story was plausible. That's the effect the liar-in-chief has on others. In other Secret Service testimony, two officers said that White House steward Bayani Nelvis told them of his unhappiness at having to "clean up" after the Clinton-Lewinsky trysts. He complained of having to pick up towels and tissues stained with lipstick and other substances. Agent Gary Byrne testified he suggested that Nelvis discard the towels instead of sending them to the laundry. "My fear was that . . . if there was lipstick on there, regardless of whose it was, that when the people that did the laundry saw it, you know, I just didn't want to give anybody any more fuel for any more rumors about the president." Those rumors, according to testimony, had been rampant in the White House for years. Agents took to betting on how long it would take for the president to arrive at his office from the family quarters once he heard Lewinsky was there. Steven P. Pape, a uniformed Secret Service officer, said he had wagered the president would arrive on one Saturday morning in only 10 minutes. "I almost lost the bet," he testified. "It was 9 minutes and 40 or 50 seconds before he came down for that appointment." Pape testified he was particularly upset by another Lewinsky visit in October of last year. It was the Clintons' 22nd wedding anniversary. Pape testified, "I just made a mental thought of that was not the way to celebrate a traditional family anniversary, in my opinion." Senate Majority Leader Trent Lott has suggested that "bad conduct itself" might be reason enough to impeach the president. So should the corrupting of an institution that has served honorably and well until the Clinton presidency. Everything and everyone with whom Bill Clinton comes in contact is at risk of infection. If we were dealing with a health plague, the proper response would be quarantine or medication of sufficient strength to eradicate the disease and to protect others from infection. With a political disease that has infected even the Secret Service and other institutions and agencies of government, the only proper remedy is removal from office of the one carrying the virus. Let the impeachment hearings begin the process of purging us of this terrible disease. 209.67.114.212

To: Doughboy who wrote (7942)	10/6/1998 9:54:00 PM
From: Catfish	Respond to of 13994

If 'Bloodgate' is Real, Clinton Deserves Prison USA Journal Online October 6, 1998 Jon E. Dougherty I read with horror and bewilderment Mr. Joseph Farah's piece yesterday in WorldNetDaily about an alleged connection between an Arkansas businessman, the Arkansas penal system, and the gathering of AIDS-tainted blood which was later distributed to unknowing victims in Canada. The horror came from realizing that this sort of debauchery is probably a lot more commonplace that Americans believe. The amazement came from the fact that our beloved and ‘most ethical' president could have been involved in such a dastardly deed. For those of you who don't know the story yet, here it is in a nutshell. Mr. Farah writes, "…In the early 1980s, HMA, a company headed by Leonard K. Dunn, won a contract to provide medical services to Arkansas state prison inmates. As part of the $3 million deal, HMA was also allowed to collect blood from the prisoners and sell it. That tainted blood, Canadian officials believe, was later responsible for a nationwide outbreak of AIDS and other diseases. HMA admitted to selling some contaminated blood -- unknowingly." Is it actually possible that Bill Clinton is so diabolical that he sanctioned the sale of human blood that was responsible "for the deaths of at least 1,000 people"? It's possible, alright. In fact, when you learn of another key player in this "deal," you may begin to feel how possible this is, right in the pit of your stomach. Enter the late Vincent Foster – ‘Mr. Suicide' – who may have been, an associate says, despondent during his last days on earth because of this tainted blood deal. Mr. Farah continued: "Syndicated columnist Maggie Gallagher last week reported that the late White House deputy counsel Vincent Foster may have been connected with the blood scandal. "‘Once upon a time -- in fact a day or two after Vince Foster died -- a man called the White House counsel's office," she wrote. "'This was not a line that kooks typically rang us up on,' my source told me. Lunatics call the main office number. This guy called one of Vince's assistants directly. "‘The man said he had some information that might be important. Something had upset Vince Foster greatly just days before he died. Something about ‘tainted blood' that both Vince Foster and President Clinton knew about, this man said.'" Now what do you think? Granted, this doesn't constitute "proof" per se, but what it tells me is that there are even more sordid details surrounding Bill Clinton's former and present life that none of us have even learned yet. The selling of AIDS-infected blood – like the Mena/cocaine connection; like the Waco/Ruby Ridge debacles; like learning that a hundred people who have known and been associated with Clinton are now dead; and like all the other scandals that have rocked Washington since Clinton's arrival – leads a reasonable person to believe Americans have not simply [twice] elected a man without morals or ethics. We may have inadvertently put the anti-Christ in the most powerful office in the world. Will learning that Clinton co-conspired to sell HIV and AIDS-infected blood to firms in Canada, which lead to the infection and death of hundreds of Canadians, finally be enough to disintegrate the last vestiges of support for this man's immorality and criminality? More importantly, will such a revelation finally spur the congressional leaders to decisive action? Bad as the situations are in Kosovo, Albania, and Africa, we're talking about a U.S. president who may – in a former life – helped spread the world's most deadly disease to Canada – our staunchest ally, our closest neighbor, and our largest trading partner. Did Clinton help do this? I honestly don't know. But I do know that there is so much partisanship on the part of Democrats that despite this outrage and crime against humanity, even if it were proven beyond a doubt to be true, I'm not sure they would vote to convict Clinton anyway. I can almost hear them dismissing these charges out of hand as if Clinton isn't capable of doing such a thing. Well, he is capable of it. That's only because we're not talking about a "normal" man here. We're talking about a Chief Executive who soiled the presidential seal in the Oval Office with a girl nearly his daughter's age – at about the same time he was soiling her dress. Oh, yeah. He's capable of this, alright. Time will tell, but considering the implications of these charges, the Justice Department – working hand in hand with Congress – has no choice but to find out for certain. You can bet the Canadians are looking into it. USA Journal Online 209.67.114.212

To: Doughboy who wrote (7942)	10/6/1998 10:33:00 PM
From: Catfish	Respond to of 13994

DNC Keeps $1.7 in Foreign Money 10/6/98 FOXNEWS By Marian Jones WASHINGTON — Republican investigators on the House committee probing fund-raising violations have charged that the Democratic Party has retained $1.7 million in illegal or suspect donations. In its interim report, which has been obtained by Fox News, the House Government Reform and Oversight Committee details numerous donations connected to controversial fund-raising figures as James Riady and John Huang. The money went to the Clinton/Gore re-election effort, the Democratic National Committee, state Democratic parties or other Democratic fund-raising committees, the report says, citing donations between 1992 and 1996. "Time and time again the DNC received information regarding the illegality or inappropriateness of contributions but failed to take the appropriate action of returning or disgorging them," the report said. Moreover, the report said, often when the DNC, confronted with suspect contributions it could not adequately trace, the committee still kept the funds. The House committee, chaired by Republican Dan Burton of Indiana, will meet on Thursday to vote on whether to release this report. Neither Burton nor any other Republicans would comment on the report Tuesday night. Some have not yet read the report; leaders of the committee will speak at a press conference Wednesday. But Henry A. Waxman of California, the ranking Democrat on the committee, called the report "a rehash with exaggerated allegations." He is preparing a response that will be ready end of tomorrow. Of the $1.7 million cited, more than $1 million was collected by the DNC, the GOP report said. Arguing that that sum should be returned, the Republican staffers added that they are investigating "hundreds of thousands of dollars in additional questionable contributions, many of which are almost certainly illegal." The report also demands the appointment of an independent counsel to look into foreign monies in the 1996 campaign, stating "until an independent counsel is appointed in this mater, the American people cannot be assured that the same standards of justice will be applied to the president and vice-president as apply to every other citizen." Among the donations the committee cited was $50,000 in contributions written by a college student in Philadelphia named Kuang Tao Zhou. Evidence shows, the report said, that a day before the student made a $30,000 donation to the DNC, he received a check for $30,000 from a person in Los Angeles — which in turn was traced to a wire transfer from China. The committee said Zhou also made more than $20,000 in donations to various Democratic entities around the time he received a $19,985 wire transfer from an account in Taiwan. Democratic Party accountants and investigators tried to verify the address and telephone for Zhou, but failed to get any response, the report said. "As in other instances of suspect contributions, despite the paucity of information ... the DNC decided to retain Zhou's $30,000 contribution," said the report. Assailing what it says was an effort by the Democrats in the White House to delay its investigation, it also notes that dozens of witnesses in the Democratic fund-raising investigation have refused to testify, either fleeing the country or taking the Fifth Amendment. — AP contributed to this report. 209.67.114.212