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To: Borzou Daragahi who wrote (8079)10/9/1998 4:00:00 AM
From: Zoltan!  Respond to of 13994
 
>>Why not post the whole article, which includes details that highlight differences
between the Clinton and Cisneros cases?


Thanks for that. You are correct, there are differences. The article shows how much worse Clinton's case is for him, since it involved his serial perjury before a criminal grand jury, witness tampering and suborning testimony along with other elements of obstruction of justice. Also shows how Clinton is being too well treated by Starr.

The article also states the requirement of Clinton's removal: The Constitution forbids felons as Prez but as Prez Clinton can't be indicted. Therefore, both the ends of justice and the intent of the Constitution requires his removal.

Wait for the the Willey component - there'll be indictments of the Clinton cronies who tried to bribe her to change her story about Clinton's sexual assault.

All in all, Clinton should be looking at 180 years in prison.



To: Borzou Daragahi who wrote (8079)10/9/1998 4:07:00 AM
From: Zoltan!  Respond to of 13994
 
Bennett tries to salvage reputation, starts cutting ties to Perjurer Clinton:

Lewinsky Affidavit False, Bennett Admits
Clinton Lawyer Tells Jones Judge to Disregard Sworn
Statement That He Submitted


By Peter Baker
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, October 9, 1998; Page A21

President Clinton's attorney has told the judge who oversaw the Paula
Jones lawsuit to disregard the affidavit he submitted from Monica S.
Lewinsky denying a sexual relationship despite Clinton's January testimony
that it was "absolutely true."

Robert S. Bennett, who has represented Clinton throughout the Jones
case, introduced the Lewinsky affidavit during the president's Jan. 17
deposition in an effort to cut off questioning about her. During the
proceeding, Bennett told U.S. District Judge Susan Webber Wright that
Lewinsky's statement meant "there was absolutely no sex of any kind in
any manner, shape or form," and asked Clinton to verify that.

"That's absolutely true," Clinton responded.

But Lewinsky testified before independent counsel Kenneth W. Starr's
grand jury that the affidavit she signed Jan. 7 was false and that she
performed oral sex on Clinton in the White House on 10 occasions. Starr
accused Clinton of perjury and obstruction of justice for attesting to the
affidavit's accuracy and allowing it to be introduced as evidence.

In a new letter to Wright, Bennett in effect admitted that the Clinton team
submitted a false statement, citing Lewinsky's August testimony "that
portions of her affidavit were misleading and not true."

"Therefore, pursuant to our professional responsibility, we wanted to
advise you that the Court should not rely on Ms. Lewinsky's affidavit or
remarks of counsel characterizing that affidavit," Bennett wrote in the Sept.
30 letter, which was filed under seal and made public yesterday.

Sources have said that Clinton lied to Bennett and other attorneys about
his relationship with Lewinsky and that they did not know her affidavit was
untrue at the time. As an officer of the court, Bennett is obligated by legal
ethics to correct the record once a falsehood becomes known. Jones's
lawyers have cited the letter in trying to persuade the 8th U.S. Circuit
Court of Appeals to reverse Wright and reinstate the case that she
dismissed in April.

In another development, Wright yesterday agreed to begin releasing secret
files from the lawsuit Oct. 19, the day before attorneys for Jones and
Clinton are scheduled to present oral arguments in St. Paul, Minn., to the
appeals court considering whether to revive the case.

While much of the evidence collected by the two sides was made public in
the spring, various potentially embarrassing materials have remained sealed
and could now be made public. Among the items that could be released
are full transcripts of depositions by Clinton and Jones, both of whom were
asked in detail about their sexual histories as well as the 1991 encounter in
a Little Rock hotel suite that led to the lawsuit. Only portions of both
depositions have been released.

Wright said she will review everything in her possession and post it "on a
periodic basis" on the Internet as long as it would not harm the prospects
of a fair trial should the case be revived and as long as it does not intrude
on the privacy of the various "Jane Doe" women interviewed about their
interactions with Clinton.

The judge also will review any evidence kept by lawyers if they want to
release it. The attorneys have possession of the Clinton and Jones
depositions, as well as testimony from women who were asked about
alleged sexual encounters with the president and men who were asked
about alleged sexual encounters with the former state clerk who sued him.

One item that will not be released will be the videotape of Clinton's Jan. 17
deposition. Wright has turned over a copy of it to the House Judiciary
Committee and said in a footnote yesterday that she "did not place any
restrictions" on what the panel may do with it. Jones separately has asked
an appeals court for the right to obtain a copy of the tape.

Another court document that will not be released, Wright said, will be a
secret March 27 filing by Starr asking her to prevent Jones's lawyers from
re-interviewing Kathleen E. Willey, the former White House volunteer who
alleged Clinton groped her in 1993. Starr asked Wright to keep that
sealed, presumably to protect his ongoing investigation into possible
perjury or obstruction of justice by Clinton or his allies as part of an effort
to keep Willey silent.

Jones, who accused Clinton of exposing himself and asking for sex while
he was governor, remains stalled in settlement negotiations with the
president's attorneys. She has asked for $1 million and Clinton's lawyer
has offered $700,000.

New York millionaire Abe Hirschfeld separately has offered $1 million to
settle the case and held a news conference yesterday to promote the idea
along with his plan for Clinton to resign.
While Hirschfeld's attorney has
contacted both camps, White House officials have said privately they want
nothing to do with him. Jones's legal team yesterday disputed a report that
she might settle in exchange for both offers, totaling $1.7 million.
washingtonpost.com



To: Borzou Daragahi who wrote (8079)10/9/1998 11:46:00 AM
From: MulhollandDrive  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 13994
 
>>Aha! Money was involved. For someone taking charge of HUD, so scandal plagued under Reagan and Bush that is cost tax payers billions, the handling of money would be an important issue in any confirmation.<<

Well, sorry to point out the obvious to you, but everybody knows Clinton is broke ! No, his "currency" has always been abuse of power by doling out jobs to unqualified females like Lewinsky and Flowers and shaking down "contributors" for cash in exchange for "access". I do give him "credit" in that regard, he's smart enough to recognize that cash payments can leave a paper trail, but getting some bimbo a high paying job at Revlon would be difficult to prove as a "payoff." Hope you're enjoying this soon to be dismantled Imperial Presidency.....bp



To: Borzou Daragahi who wrote (8079)10/9/1998 4:38:00 PM
From: Les H  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 13994
 
Inquiry Deemed Certain To Lead to Impeachment
Marc Sandalow, Chronicle Washington Bureau
Friday, October 9, 1998

Even before yesterday's vote, an alarming
assumption had taken hold on Capitol Hill: William
Jefferson Clinton will be impeached.

For all the talk of how an impeachment inquiry is
just the beginning of a deliberate search for the
truth, the prevailing wisdom inside the Beltway is
that Congress is headed down an irreversible path
toward the first impeachment trial since 1868.

As a mystified nation wonders how a tawdry sexual
affair could explode into an episode of historic
significance, the political class that dominates this
town is preparing for months of scholarly
discussions on the Constitution, salacious
arguments about sex and then a partisan vote for
impeachment.

Though the conventional wisdom has been wrong
many times before, there is a firm belief that House
Republicans -- ranging from anti-Clinton crusaders
and religious-right stalwarts to the political
moderates and constitutional purists -- have already
seen enough to support articles of impeachment.

''That is a fait accompli,'' said Representative
Nancy Pelosi, D- San Francisco. ''There isn't any
doubt in anybody's mind around here.''

Of course, an impeachment vote in the House does
not mean removal from office. That would take a
two-thirds vote in the Senate, and nobody believes
that will happen. The prediction is that Clinton will
serve the remainder of his term, as Andrew
Johnson did, after having faced the House's ultimate
rebuke more than 100 years ago.

''Impeachment is a foregone conclusion,'' said
Representative Zoe Lofgren, D-San Jose, just
moments before the House cast its ballots
yesterday.

''(Republicans) don't care about the Constitution,''
she said, previewing the coming hearings before the
Judiciary Committee, of which she is a member. ''I
think we're going to be talking about thong
underwear.''

Of course, Democrats sometimes like to make such
dire predictions to portray their counterparts as
extremists. But on this issue, Republicans make the
same prediction.

''Unless the president does the honorable thing and
resigns, we are definitely headed toward the
spectacle of an impeachment trial in the U.S.
Senate sometime in the first half of next year.'' said
Representative Frank Riggs, R-Windsor.

As farfetched as impeachment seems to those
outside the capital's self-absorbed web of intrigue,
a look at what it would take to derail Republicans
from such a course shows why so many political
junkies believe it is inevitable.

The surest way to make talk of impeachment go
away is for Democrats to make big advances in the
coming election. The November 3 vote, even if
voters do not see it that way, will be interpreted as
a referendum on Clinton and impeachment.

But Democratic advances -- though possible --
seem unlikely. Some polls have detected anger at
Republicans for pursuing the inquest. Other polls
suggest that those most likely to vote are those who
are angry at Clinton. Most independent analysts
expect Republicans to pick up from five to 15 seats
in the House and two to four seats in the Senate.

Another way to stave off impeachment is for the
Republican leaders, sensing the public's outrage at
the inquiry, to back off. As lawmakers explore the
details to determine whether Clinton lied under
oath, they may find themselves on terrority that is
difficult to defend.

In the 1860s, Congress debated whether Johnson
fired a cabinet secretary in defiance of the law. In
the 1970s, it debated whether President Richard
Nixon used the FBI and CIA to cover up a
politically motivated burglary. In the coming
months, Congress may be in the position of having
to debate whether President Clinton touched
Monica Lewinsky's breasts.

Although there are more solemn issues regarding
lying under oath, conspiracy and obstruction of
justice, after nine months of news reports it appears
that the public is even more outraged over the
intrusion into the president's privacy, providing
Democrats a golden opportunity to attack his
inquisitors.

''The president betrayed his wife. He did not
betray the country. God help this nation if we fail to
recognize the difference,'' railed Representative
Robert Wexler, D-Fla., during yesterday's debate.

For Republicans to back off would require some
key moderates to step forward. Some insiders have
suggested that Representatives Lindsey Graham,
R-S.C., or Robert Goodlatte, R-Pa., both of
whom serve on the Judiciary Committee, might
serve that role. Or perhaps House Speaker Newt
Gingrich, in an effort to shore up moderate votes in
his quest for the Republican presidential nomination
in 2000, might decide to broker a deal with the
president and declare that ''our long national
nightmare is over.''

But there was no evidence of such inclinations
yesterday, as Republicans accused Clinton of far
more serious sins than trying to conceal an
extramarital affair.

''If perjury and obstruction of justice do not
undermine the integrity of the office, what offenses
would?'' asked Representative Charles Canady,
R-Fla.

Of course, impeachment could be avoided if
Clinton resigns, as Nixon did in 1974 when his
removal from office became certain. Clinton has
made clear that he will not do that.

''I don't know what the future holds,'' Hyde said as
the debate opened yesterday. Most of Washington
seems to think it does.

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IMPEACHMENT, HO

House OKs
impeachment inquiry.

Inquiry deemed certain
to lead to impeachment.

Clinton hangs tough in
budget bargaining.

Bipartisan support key
to inquiry.

Clinton lawyer tells judge
he misled her.

Clinton enemies get to
gloat.

Jon Carroll: Getting past
the normal disgust.

impeachment talks
"I think Congress is
more upset about
Clinton perjuring
himself. This is not a
spin. For those of
you think that Clinton
is in trouble because
he had sex, look
deeper..."
--join us in the President
Clinton & the Law topic

ON THE GATE

CHART:

HOW THE HOUSE VOTED

.

The House voted 258 to 176 yesterday to begin an impeachment

inquiry of President Clinton. A look at

how the Bay Area delegation voted:

.

Dist. Member Yes No

.

1. Frank Riggs X

R-Windsor

.

3. Vic Fazio X

D-West Sacramento

.

6. Lynn Woolsey X

D-Petaluma

.

7. George Miller X

D-Martinez

.

8. Nancy Pelosi X

D-San Francisco

.

9. Barbara Lee X

D-Oakland

.

10. Ellen Tauscher X

D-Walnut Creek

.

12. Tom Lantos X

D-Hillsborough

.

13. Pete Stark X

D-Hayward

.

14. Anna G. Eshoo X

D-Atherton

.

15. Tom Campbell X

R-Campbell

.

16. Zoe Lofgren X

D-San Jose

.

17. Sam Farr X

D-Carmel

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