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To: Don Martini who wrote (71303)	10/11/1998 5:00:00 PM
From: nihil	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 176387

OT -- thanks for the comments --- The specific primitive tribal urvater-adulterer I was referring to was David ben Jesse, who, as you well recall, sired Solomon on Bathsheba (the relict of David's victim Uriah the Hittite) who slew some of his brothers (e.g. Adonijah --1 Kings 2) and according to Matthew (at least) was the ancestor of Yeshua bar Joseph (whom the Greeks called Jesus). I think we are much advanced over these primitive people and the others whom you mentioned. While Judah was surrounded by some truly bestial people, the best marker for savagery, was, as you mention, child sacrifice. Early Christian writers accused Herod the Great (who claimed to be a Jew and rebuilt the Temple) of the "slaughter of the innocents." I think we both agree that the killing of children or viable fetuses is vile. Where we obviously differ is over early term abortion, which I view as no crime because I believe that an early term fetus is not a moral agent. But your God, whom I take to be Jehovah, is a blood-thirsty tyrant and is responsible for the destruction of many fetuses. I take as my text Leviticus 20, in which Jehovah (in the translation I suspect we both venerate) tells Moses that anyone, Israelite or sojourner who gives his seed to Molech must be stoned to death. It's easy for us to criticize this law because it was intended to prevent people from worshipping Molech -- i.e. a violation of freedom of religion. Notice that it doesn't forbid giving anyone else's children to the flames, but is specifically limited to "seed." The rest of the chapter is filled with prohibited sexual relationships for which the participants shall surely be put to death. But nowhere among the condemnations to death is any mention of the possible pregnancy of the woman. The woman in these illegal couplings is to be put to death, without mercy, without awaiting her delivery of any child (whether of the lawful father or of the wrongful father). I believe this chapter is the ranting of a blood-thirsty priest or rabbi, rather than a right-to-life God that I would care to worship. I suspect the name Lewinski meaning "son of Levi" means that Monica claims ancient descent and subjection to the ancient Law, with all that implies. As an adultress, she must together his Bill be put to death (Leviticus 20:10). As a believer in Old Testament values it seems that you must agree, along with the execution of perhaps a third of the population. I believe in life. I believe in the right to life of unborn and illegitimate children, of murderers, of adulterers, and sick and dying people. I believe in self-determination --the prevention of life where people don't want more kids, and the termination of early-term fetuses where the mother is unwilling or unable to rear the child (no one has an obligation to birth a child so someone else can adopt it). I approve of vigorous sexual activity among all people who want to participate and who take suitable precautions against disease and pregnancy. I think recent blood tests all around would be in order if the crowd gets too big or if too many strangers are introduced. I think sexual activity should be permitted in the home or office, as long as it is discreetly concealed from others who might start shooting or the Secret Police. I disapprove of compulsory sex, so I have my doubts about marriage. It is a religious institution, and under the doctrine of separation of church and state should be removed from the statute books. I believe that sexual reproduction evolved because line crossing created more vigorous life forms that had survival value. I believe that the impulse to sexual activity is the most compelling motivation of the species. I believe those those human genes that opposed or restricted sexual activity tended to extinguish. The social control of sexual activity has always created political conflict, and that we have a long way to go before a reasonable, workable pattern develops. I am glad your grandson sets a pattern for the other children, but I am also glad that my only grandchild can grow up cared for by all of her families in a community where she is respected for her own self, and not reviled or looked down upon for her illegitimacy. It wouldn't be a bad world if all of the grandchildren, legitimate and illegitimate, of street preachers and village atheists alike (and everyone with in between opinions), could live peaceably together and discuss their differences without shouting and coming to blows. Sincere best wishes. Hugh