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To: Len Roselli who wrote (66737)	10/15/1998 11:38:00 AM
From: Tony Viola	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 186894

Len, Re: "In it they say that IBM's Power PC750 processor uses the technology, and that it incorporates 0.12 micron gates." To intercept this one for now, and I would bet that Paul will be in later: IBM is not in production at 0.12 micron. They are just getting there with 0.18, and are concentrating that new technology on chips for their flagship product, which is still the mainframe (now called "enterprise server" as the term mainframe is no longer "PC"). The 0.12 at IBM could very well be prototype or pilot. Just for reference, in June, 1996, Intel told us at a roadmap meeting that they had 0.18 pilot processes running. So you have to take the kind of talk like IBM's 0.12 with a very large grain of salt. Re: "My question is how far ahead of Intel is IBM in semiconductor process technology?" I would estimate that IBM is three to six months ahead of Intel WRT process technology. Any other bets? Of course, IBM is not in direct competition with Intel right now, as they don't make chips for either AMD or Cyrix anymore. In fact, proponents of those companies that post here were heard cheering mightily when they ditched IBM. Big blue too expensive, I guess, or they don't offer the latest and greatest processes to other companies. Another thing, IBM doesn't make anywhere near the # of CPU chips that Intel does, anymore, so, they, IBM, may declare themselves to be in a new process when they have only a line or two running. Intel OTOH may "declare" production only when they have several lines, in several different countries, even, running. Regards, Tony

To: Len Roselli who wrote (66737)	10/15/1998 12:06:00 PM
From: Paul Engel	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 186894

Len - re: " but IBM seems to be a generation ahead of Intel (0.12 micron), or are they just touting a demo project?" I am going to assume that these numbers came from ICE - Integrated Circuit Engineering. First, let me put in a plug for ICE - they have been doing superb analyses of semiconductor processes and devices for many years. Their technical expertise and attention to detail is terrific. Now, I will also assume that the PowerPC 750 report reflects a production part. ICE generally sells reports ONLY if they are given the go ahead by whoever paid for the analysis - and "demo" chips generally are analyzed but the reports are kept very private. Now, IBM stated that the PowerPC 750 copper process was a nominal 0.18 micron minimum feature size. Normally, this number applies to the length of the smallest polysilicon gate that can be "normallly" imaged in a wafer stepper/scanner. However, by tweaking exposure controls and etch conditions, a slightly narrower poly feature can be achieved - say 0.15 micron FINAL gate length. When the source/drain regions are implanted and spacers are added and the various IMPLANT DRIVES are performed, Arsenic (the n -dopant) will diffuse under the gate perhaps 0.01 or 0.015 micron. This happens from both gate edges, so the TOTAL underdiffusion of Arsenic is twice that, or around 0.02 or 0.03 microns. (I am ignoring p-channel devices which are always slightly larger.) Subtracting this from the 0.15 micron PRINTED CD, you get what is known as an Leff - L effective - of 0.12 microns. Normally, this has to be determined by electrical measurements but a good cross section and selective "staining" of the implant regions below and adjacent to the gates will reveal the Leff when viewed with a good Scanning Electron Microscope (SEM). Now - is IBM ahead of Intel? Yes and no. Yes, IBM is ahead in getting a 0.18 micron process into production. No - Intel is AHEAD of IBM because Intel's 0.25 micron process produces FASTER CPUs that IBM's copper-based 0.18 micron process. The PowerPC 750 chip you refer to was introduced at only 400 MHz as I recall whereas Intel is SHIPPING 450 MHz Pentium II's and Xeons built on their "slightly tweaked" 0.25 micron process. When Intel introduces their 0.18 micron process in mid-1999, Intel's CPUs will be quite a bit faster than their current 450 MHz speeds of today. Paul