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To: Raymond James Norris who wrote (1362)	10/17/1998 8:55:00 PM
From: Chris land	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1542

Raymond, You quote the passage of Genesis 16:3 assuming that Sarai's words were gospel. Read further and you will find that such a marriage between Abraham and Hagar never took place. In fact verse 4 states that when she had conceived her mistress was despised in her eyes so we see that the mistress-servant relationship was still in effect. In verse 6 Abraham tells Sarai that her maid is her problem and to do what she saw fit, nowhere in all the bible does he call Hagar his wife. In those days it was common for a barren wife to have children for her husband by a servant. Lets's go a little further. verse 8. An angel tells Hagar to return to her mistress and be submitted. Why didn't the angel say "go return to your husband"? Because she wasn't married to Abraham. Further on in Genesis God, while speaking with Abraham constantly refers to Hagar as "the bondwoman", but never as a wife. In Genesis 25 the scriptures says that Abraham again took a wife but her name was not Hagar, it was Keturah, it also mentions some of his concubines, but Hagar was not a concubine either. Verse 12: Now these are the generations of Ishmael, Abraham's son, whom Hagar the Egyptian, Sarah's handmaid bare unto Abraham. Still no mention of her as a wife. <<<Muslims respect Abraham, Sarah, Hagar, Isaac, and Ishmael (pbut) as very decent, moral and pious people.>>> Ishmael a moral man? Come on! God said he was a wild man whose hand would be against everyone. Ishmael a moral man? When he mocked Isaac was he setting a pious role model? Chris